SSBA

hey, I am going to waive jim finley. and was thinking will it be made expiring as part of the pacers magic deal. thanks

sorry i missed that. i even paid for it already :-(
he is expiring of course.

oh ok. I'll cut him eventually. :)

(Why would anyone cut a 6mill expiring big man who started on the best team in the league last season?)

The Pacers can't resign him in FA anyway, at least not on day 3 (where he's cut) or day 4 (where 24hr rule applies), is that correct ?

Whatever, Jim's on the market again.

of course pacers coof course pacers can´t sign him on day 3 but why not on day 4 is a mystery to me?
For me the hours count starts with the post not the cut happen or am i wrong?
By the way i am sure a certain gm will take him :-)

finley isn't part of my team plans. I have tons of big man here

of course that GM will try.
From what I heard he wants a title as badly as you, and his resume looks pretty bleak in comparison.

The rules will actually need to be updated for this.  When the rules were written, it was only taken into consideration in-season trades, where signings come on a first come-first serve basis, not that are up to the players decision.

Since we have to wait for Jim to enter the FA pool, which will not happen until after the sim is run and Jim is actually cut, I think the 24 hours should go to when the sim was run, not when the cut was posted.

don´t share your point of view here bods. technically he is in the FA pool as soon as his cut is posted. i am sure at least 1 gm will make a FA offer for him for day 3.
So should i ignore this offer because he wasn´t in the FA pool yet or should we handle it that he is in as soon a cut is posted?

I have no idea what you're asking.

well, during the season, if someone posts a cut in the "Player cuts" section, everyone can immediately post the signing of that player. And both transactions will be carried out in advance of the following sim.

So I don't see any reason why it should be any different during the FA period.

The reason we've implemented the 24 hrs rule was to prevent teams trading a player, and - after the receiving team cut him - immediately resigning him. The SSBA rules go further, that even if this cut happens a few sims after that trade, the 24 hrs rule is enforced.


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i don´t like the fact that we have now to wait till he is in the FA pool. Like celtics stated we never did that before during regular season.

but in the regular season, it's "first come first serve".

in FA, all offers are put in simultaneously, so the Magic and Pacers being able to offer on the same sim Finley's been cut would deceive the intended rule.

just want to get something clarified here for future reference. if the magic - pacers deal is to be done during the season, and finley was waived right after the deal, it would mean that pacers won't be able to sign him for a like 60 days right? does it also apply in fa, right now?

Ding ding.

haha, that's exactly what we are talking about here.

it's not 60 days, just 24 hours, but it's valid during FA period too. you make it sound like this cut was pre-arranged in the deal, but I doubt that since Pacers know the rule as well as anybody here, so it makes no sense.

nah not pre-arranged. he wasdn't even supposed to be in it. lol.

oh ok. so its just 24 hours.. I thought it was like more at least 40 days...

neither pacers nor magic will be allowed to make an offer for him on day 3.
but i can´t see the point to extend that to FA day 4 also. that would be double punishment.

sorry to be a pain in the ass in this. i don't think you'll need him anyway. lol.. but I don't think my cutting of jim finley will cut the 24 hour restriction. coz i just posted this like 6 hours after days 2. so thats like 18 hours before Day 4..

what is with him anyway? the guy can't even rebound.

IMO everyone except Pacers & Magic should be able to bid on Finley in day 3.  Pacers and Magic can bid in day 4 but neither should have bird rights so the most they can offer is MLE or available cap space.

i don´t care if i can get him. i just want to know how we handle the rule for this situation in the future.

i think day 4 is out of question, that's after the 24hr rule. you can offer then.
it's only day 3 we were arguing about here, since that might be simmed more than 24 hrs after the cut has been posted.

and of course, nobody has bird rights. he has been CUT and all bird rights are lost then.

if i understand bods right the 24 hours should start after FA day 3 which would make it impossible to sign him on FA day 4 also.

yup, that happens when you go by written rules instead of going by what the rule is made for.
but since the decision to act like that has been made here (see under "Orlando, extending") so be it.


:shake head:

nope rules are clear in that case:

If a player is cut as a result of a trade, no team involved in the trade (either team who traded the cut player, team who received the player, or any other parties involved in the trade who never controlled the player) can sign that player for a period of 24 hours after the player was cut.

there is no rule that force you to wait till the next sim is done and after that the 24 hours start.

Here's the reason I don't think Pacers should be able to offer Jim Finley anything on day 3.  It has nothing to do with "going by the books".

When will Jim Finley show up in the <a href=http://rosters.ssbabasketball.com/fa/fa-pos.htm>FA List</a>?  Not when it's posted on the message board.  But after PacersGM has processed the cut in FBB, and re-uploaded the rosters.  So he won't show up on the FA list as a free agent until after day 3 has been run, so I don't think you'll get any bids on this before day 4.

In the NBA, when a player is released, there is a period where everyone in the league has a chance to claim him off waivers before he can re-sign with a team.  The rule in SSBA was put in to prevent teams for organizing a "cut and re-sign" trade.  Unfortunately the rule was put in place in the context of players being cut in season, and wasn't really designed with this happening during the offseason, and we don't really have a precedent to go on as I don't believe this has ever happened before.

In the end, the only way to really give everyone else in the league a fair shot at signing Jim Finley before Pacers and Magic do is by forcing them to wait until after day 5, since there's no guarantee Finley would accepting anything either day 3 or day 4.  So we're probably pissing in the wind no matter what decision we make here.

well i agree that pacers shouldn´t be allowed to make an offer on day 3. But what is if a gm is active enough to read this post and makes an offer on day 3?
are they allowed to get an advantage here?
and if it is allowed why do the pacers have to wait another day?

Why are you talking about yourself in the 3rd person?

because i needed a 3rd person as an example  :lol:

bods, Pacers said he can't offer on day 4, since technically there might not be 24 hrs between sims. That was my reference to the "written Rule" about.


and what is that about? of course, anybody can offer for a player once a cut is postet. on day 3, because the player has to be cut BEFORE simming day 3 (in fact before entering bids, or it won't be possible) ... that is anybody BUT the Pacers and Magic, who were involved in the deal.

Does this put all the other GMs at an advantage? Heck, yes. Thats what the rule was made for ...

:still shaking head:

after thinking about it, I think Magic and Pacers should be able to bid on him beginning at day 4.  More precisely, I don't think preventing them from bidding on them day 4 does anything to achieve the goal of the rule.

I have manually added Jim Finley to the free agent database under GM actions, so he will now show up in the list (but NOT the one under "Current FA's" on the side).

Thanks.

Glad common sense finally prevailed over just following written law. Too late for me, but good for the league.
:-)