SSBA

Celtics extend Orlando Woolridge for 1 year for $450

thanks.

btw, I would hope this extension is still possible to buy since no extension offers have been sent out (or published) yet.

no.

If you want to purchase a contract extension, the request must be made to me before Sim 12.

thank you.

no idea what you mean. read the rules. that is nothing against you or your team. we had this rule now since we had the bank system installed. several gms had their extension in before sim 12. i already send the extensions to bods on sat.

the reason we made that rule (and if i remember correctly, i "invented" it for DJSL and bods later "adopted" it for SSBA) is to prevent teams from extending players that do NOT offer a contract extension. That's why in DJSL the time limit is "before the start playoffs" (aka before player resign offers are sent out)

I didn't realize until now the rule here moves the deadline even further into the season, sorry.
But i wanted to make sure to get the extension in BEFORE the resign offers are sent out (or made available) to stay in line with the REASON for the rule.

and let me add: "and to prevent teams from resigning guys cheaply that make HUGE RESIGN OFFERS".

that's probably the main reason, not being able to wait on someone offers and THEN ignoring the players desire and getting him back for more or less the rookie pay sclae.

true but i still can´t understand why you didn´t resign him for cheap right after the deadline has passed.
by the way orlando made an offer so you still have the chance to resign him.

probably because i thought about next season only when this one was over and i knew if i made the playoffs with this team or not. i have troubles with deadlines here apparently ...

and I know i can resign him, and i know it will most likely cost me 4 times as much.

but of course i will accept the commissioner's ruling.

btw, as I had expected Orlando is asking for a max contract (exactly the scenario I was trying to avoid with this extension)


and on a personal note:
i know i messed up with my - looking back at it - silly request for the trade deadline to be moved. I was wrong then, it would have been unfair to the other GMs. And I'm equally certain that THIS request here - made yesterday - did by no means violate the REASON why we have a deadline for the extension, thus I believe the league office is wrong here ...

i find it very unfortunate that SSBA is slowly developing into some sort of league where EVERTHING needs to be covered by rules, all procedures are subject to strict regulations, and common sense is more or less ignored. Rules are necessary, rules are good, but sometimes a little sure instinct wouldn't hurt ...

maybe just try to see it from my point of view. currently my life is full of work. the only way that i can still manage the simming is that  i still folllow my time schedule. i can´t wait and ask every guy if he missed any deadline or extensions. IMO it is much easier for you to adjust to the small rules that we have than for me to accept the bending of the rules.

Processing the extension during round 1 of the playoffs wouldn't have caused any extra work or wait.  I kinda agree with CelticsGM here.  I'm not so much of a "this is the rules, period" kinda guy.  I have a hard-stance on the trade deadline, not because it's a deadline, but because keeping the deadline the same is the fairest way for all the teams.  The reason the "no extensions after the playoffs" rule is in effect is so people can't wait to see if their free agent makes them an offer before purchasing the extension.  To force a decision.  If the  extensions haven't been sent out, I don't think it's an unfair advantage nor is it more work to have the extension go through.

JMO.

it is more work since i checked the extensions already. ok it isn´t much but it is more work.
and again why do we have the rule then?
for me it is a clear deadline after that i can start my work for the extensions. of course we can move it back to PO rd 1 no problem. but again after that no exceptions are allowed.
i had several extensions before sim12 and i would have accepted the celtics extension if he had a vacation or something else anounced.
but he decided it was more important to get back into the POs than sending me a message.

To force someone into making the decision on purchasing an extension before the player makes the extension offer.  It makes purchasing the extension somewhat of a tough decision.

i.e., let's take Celtics Example.  He's got Woolridge coming up as an expiring player.  Good player.  Someone he wants to keep.  He'd prefer to lock him up to a longterm deal, but he doesn't want to commit max money to him.  He could either purchase an extension, but then only have him on a 1-year deal, and risk losing out on low-end multi-year offer Woolridge makes, or he could not purchase an extension and wait until extension offers come out, but risk Woolridge not making an extesion or making a max offer.  He's really let with two outcomes:
- Purchase an extension, spend money, only get a 1 year deal, but get it cheaply.
- Don't purchase an extension, save money, but hope he makes a reasonable extension offer.  Risk the player entering free agency.

If you allow someone to purchase extensions after the player offers are sent out, they can determine if the person makes an acceptable offer, and THEN decide it's time to purchase an extension if they don't.  The deadline is there to prevent that.  As long as you're not allowed to purchase extensions after player offers are sent out, mission accomplished.


You don't have to wait until extension purchases are finished to start the extensions.  You could just delete the players offer after an extension is purchased.

I appreciate the results that the Pacers approach has achieved -- on time sims, few reported errors in simming, etc. This is the kind of policy determination, efficiency v. flexibility, that a commissioner should be able to make, imo.

I think we have to worry about the overall frustration level a commissioner might experience as well. Sure, it's not much more work for him, but one concession/extension leads to complaining for more exceptions to the rules.

By the way, I don't think there's a "right" or "wrong" answer here.

I agree.  Which is why I think it's a good topic for debate.

My main point (which I believe is Celtics) is that the "deadline" is before player extension offers go out, and "by sim 12" was more used to put a specific date on that deadline.

Well obviously, if that's the case, Celtics won't be a exception. The we should all exercise the same rights. I screwed up on Short's contract cause of the deadline. Wanted to buy him out but was short on time.

Contract buyouts have no deadline....

This is what we're debating:
http://forums.ssbabasketball.com/index.php?topic=4361.0

No shit?!? Oh my God... :lol:

Thanks Bods!

first of all, I agree with the hornets: the Pacers are doing an unbelievable good job on getting everything done on time. Props to that, I know how tough that can be.

but

two things in their argumentation here i disagree upon:
about the rules: in my post here, i did not ask to bend the rules, ignore the rules or make yet another exception to gain an advantage. All I did is happily finding out that the playoffs had not started, no resign offers had been made public, so I bought a contract extension. I didn't check the rulebook for that since it had never been a problem before extending a player as long as the resign offers had not been sent out.

and about the workload: it's no extra work, processing the extension is exactly the same amount of work if it's done after sim 5, after sim 7 or after sim 12. Maybe it's a little more work getting Orlando's player offer on the resign offer page (*) , but c'mon, discussing this topic here already took ten times as much time.



(*) i do it differently in DJSL, for me it's the same work if it's 10 or 100 player offers i have to process, and if i had bods scripts and database tools i could probably finish that whole process in less than an hour. Maybe we should go back an share our knowledge ... ;-)

so what's the commissioners final ruling on this request ?

Not checking the rulebook on something is no different from ignoring the rules.

You asking for the commish to change a rule that you don't agree with is no different than asking the commish to make an exception.

ok final word here from me:

i had several gms who send me pms or posted at the right time and get therefore their wishes.
even nuggets send me some messages to understand everything right. if you would be a newbie to this league or had an excuse for being late i would allow it.
but in my mind you are one of the better here and the only reason that you missed the deadline is because we didn´t handle the deadlines strict.
It would give you an unfair adavantage to other gms who took their time to get their exceptions in right in time, so for this season i won´t allow it.
we can discuss if we want to move the deadline for next season but we all started into the season with the same rules and in my mind this league is advanced far enough that we don´t have to change rules during the season.

again, i disagree. I don't ask to change the rule but use common sense to decide if me getting the exception in late VIOLATES what the rule was made to protect. And it does not ...



and why DO we start handling it strict NOW ?


once again, i do not ask to change the rules but use a little common sense and sure instinct ... which is denied.

i see it like this: nobody would have been hurt or put at a disadvantage if this had been allowed. In fact, this ruling does give some advantage to every other GM since it takes roughly 8mill from my salary total and won't allow me to make any qualified FA bids to free agents of other teams.


so my final word:
I don't have to agree on the decision but i will accept it.
 :hail:


(btw, whoever thought Orlando will hit the FA market now, forget it. Neither will Tyler, who i will accept now that my salary money has been taken. Sorry guys ...)
 :moon: