SSBA

League Information => General Board => Topic started by: PacersGM on September 21, 2007, 01:27:51 AM



Title: sim 12 up
Post by: PacersGM on September 21, 2007, 01:27:51 AM
well i couldn´t get any better. some tough losses against spurs and nuggets but luckly nets and i were tied for first place and thanks to a great butler and some horrible shooting from fuqua from the line i manged to win that game.

So now the 3 teams with best season record are from the east.
celtics were really lucky. guess they won a coin flip decision or something like that and earn the right to battle my team.
Wolves have the worst record.

And i have to announce that i won´t tolerate careless DCs next year. I had several DCs this year were guys posted players on their DC they traded before. i am still undecided if this guys just tried to tank or didn´t care.



Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: PacersGM on September 21, 2007, 01:32:38 AM
As usual we will split the PO rds into 2 sims each round. every gm will have a chance to change his lineup after game 3. i will wait 12 hours before i sim again.
As usual please send me your DCs and i will send mine to bods.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: NetsGM on September 21, 2007, 03:31:02 AM
What a shame of a last sim at 5-2. One loss to the Celtics got them into the playoffs and his pick, which I own, out of the lottery :bash: At a .439 win % - stupid Eastern Conference :bods:

This loss also put me into a tie with the Pacers who I played in the last game of the season,  coincidentally enough. I promptly lost that game too - with my vets mailing it in - and out the window goes first place in the East and overall  :bash: :bash: 

Now that I've got that out of my system, congrats Pacers on a great season, and nice job Tom sneaking into the playoffs! The East needs to fear the Hornets and Pistons who are on the verge of greatness, meaning that us "older" teams better get us a ring right now - we might not have a chance after this for a long, long time.

Good luck to Knicks in the first round. Now I'm off to drink lots of beer, eat lots of meat and maybe catch a fish or two.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: KingsGM-old on September 21, 2007, 04:29:23 AM
Horrible.


I should've traded that fucking pick.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: CelticsGM on September 21, 2007, 06:04:22 AM
Horrible.

I should've traded that fucking pick.

Playing Bird at PF is truly a horrible concept. But I have no idea what's so bad about a top 4 draft pick ???

anyway, WE DID IT !!!

Thanks to some nice road wins against the Nets and (fellow competitors) Bulls we managed to sneak into the post season. Tied with the surging Wizards, but beating them 3-1 in the season series  probably made the difference.

Next up: the Pacers. The season series was lost 0-4, of course, but only the last game came with a DC of my own.
I like our chances, especially after assembling on of the better road records in this joke of a season (and even better than our disgusting home record).

Sorry, Nets, about that pick thing. But I doubt the difference between #13 and #14 will be that crutial ...
8)


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: PacersGM on September 21, 2007, 06:23:12 AM
Quote
Sorry, Nets, about that pick thing. But I doubt the difference between #13 and #14 will be that crutial ...
8)

you still can win it all and make the pick #29  :?
or don´t you trust into your team´s abilities  :lol2:


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: WizardsGM on September 21, 2007, 07:04:38 AM
Here we go...I just hope we dont get embarassed in the playoffs, but I will be happy to win 1 game. I didnt even realize how good we were at home/bad we were on teh road (a 23-18/15-26 split).

Couple of shafts when it came to end of year awards as well unfortunately. Buck (21.7/12.6/2.0/1.2/1.2) wasnt chosen for 1st team all league at SF, instead Michael Robinson was (17.8/6.7/5.0/2.2/0.4/2.3). Perhaps team success played a factor. Borgmann (15.9/8.5/1.8/1.0/2.0/1.9) didnt make the 2nd team, losing the spot to Perkins (14.4/9.0/2.0/1.0/0.9), and you cant even say team success mattered.

Buck finished off with a strong sim: 25/14
Borgmann was only OK: 16.4/7.7
Olen Cannon is an offensive machine, shooting 49.5% as a non option and avg 13.3/4/4
Green is far more effective as a backup (or maybe its that he gets to play some PF), as he put up 14/7/2 but only shot 40%
Snow had 8.4ast to 2.7to


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: CelticsGM on September 21, 2007, 07:24:52 AM
you still can win it all and make the pick #29  :?
or don´t you trust into your team´s abilities  :lol2:

oh, i DO trust my team, but going against the #1 seed is a tough assignment.
i'd be more than happy to even win 4 games in these playoffs ...

8)


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: HornetsGM on September 21, 2007, 08:56:56 AM
60 wins for a team that has a starting lineup with an average age of 23!

Hornets were all over the individual accolades, with Macy being the Jewel in the crown, making both All League First Team and All Defensive Second Team. He was my team MVP for sure. Calvin Natt made All League Third Team, but imo those 3 SFs could be interchanged however you want. Hinson made All Defensive Second Team and Stockton made All Rookie First Team.

Overall, a great season for us -- now for a tough matchup with the Bucks!


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: HornetsGM on September 21, 2007, 09:07:42 AM
I'd just like to note that I appreciate how punctual the Commish was this season. I think every sim was run when it was said it would be run -- that might be a record. I was never disappointed when I looked to see if the sim had been run, and we all know that feeling.

Great job Pacers  :cheers:


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: GoldenStateGM on September 21, 2007, 10:24:14 AM
Have to agree with the Hornets...
Great job Pacers, excellent season of commishing!!!

Well, no one was injured in Sim 12 for the Warriors, and my goal was to go into the playoffs healthy.
Darren Rice played pretty well in his tarting role this time around, and Mad Max missed a triple double by one 1 rebound against our 1st round opponent (Blazers)

To the playoffs...  1st round match-up vs. the Blazers.  4-0 during the season, but Hakeem always makes it an interesting game.  We have yet to play each other at full strength...


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: HawksGM on September 21, 2007, 10:28:00 AM
5-4 sim to end the season.  Now against the Pistons, we won the season series 3-1, but a few glaring weaknesses on my team's part which I am sure bods will attempt to exploit.  I had to make some changes myself.  William Brice had 31 steals against my team in 4 games, over 7/game.  That is ridiculous!  I am hoping to steal one in Auburn Hills before returning back the ATL for a couple games.  I hope to make in competitive but it will be a very tough series to win.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: BullsGM3 on September 21, 2007, 11:02:23 AM
Wow, we completely blew it the last 4 sims or so. We were like 3 games over .500 at one point not that long ago. Oh well, the 11th or 12th pick should get me someone decent.

Perkins/Willis made the rookie 2nd team. McCormick somehow won 6th man of the year :?: I knew he had good numbers considering his playing time, but still that was a bit of a shocker.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: NetsGM on September 21, 2007, 11:13:52 AM
Congrats to Michael Robinson for making all league first team as a SF (we won't tell them Blackman's been my SF all year).

Congrats to Barkley for making all rookie 1st team, and William Brice for making 2nd defensive team.

How 'bout that Kyle Macy 1st team SG?  Wow.

Not sure I'm looking forward to the matchup with the Hawks all that much.  Haven't done well against them, and I kinda stumbled into the playoffs.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: BullsGM3 on September 21, 2007, 11:18:45 AM
We find out the people's extension offers pretty soon, right?


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: KingsGM-old on September 21, 2007, 11:19:17 AM
This franchise is just cursed. That's the only explanation.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: BucksGM on September 21, 2007, 03:55:50 PM
Mehta totally shattered the all time record for rebounds per game in a season, averaging 15.9 to eclipse Okafor's 15.1.  And as usual, he led the league in blocks and was Defensive POY and 1st Team.

And that earns me a first round matchup with a 60 win team. 



Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: MavsGM on September 21, 2007, 04:05:11 PM
Vince Keogan dropped 60 points on the Clippers but still 13 points short of the record held by Yao Ming.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: NetsGM on September 21, 2007, 04:52:12 PM
Mehta totally shattered the all time record for rebounds per game in a season, averaging 15.9 to eclipse Okafor's 15.1.  And as usual, he led the league in blocks and was Defensive POY and 1st Team.

And that earns me a first round matchup with a 60 win team. 



Mehta (along with Dwight) is the perfect example of how players develop in FBB.  He was a good player his first 4 years in the league.  He's an all-time great now.  One of the top 2 defensive bigs in SSBA history IMO.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: HornetsGM on September 21, 2007, 05:15:58 PM
Mehta (along with Dwight) is the perfect example of how players develop in FBB.  He was a good player his first 4 years in the league.  He's an all-time great now.  One of the top 2 defensive bigs in SSBA history IMO.

Mehta was all-defensive 1st team in his 3rd season... In his 5th season he was putting up 21.4/13/4.4. He's been pretty dominant his entire career.

Also, Dwight always seems to be your representative sample when you make this argument. It's just as often (and probably moreso), that a star is "born and not made" (i.e., great out of the gate, or within just a few years of entering the league). Check out this year's MVP Milner for a counter-example -- by his 3rd year 18.1/9.4, with 6.6 rbpg and just 2.4 topg. He's been terrific his entire career.

IMO, the statistical balooning has more to do with the original, higher-rated players, retiring than it does with some sort of 2nd growth spurt.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: PacersGM on September 21, 2007, 05:34:55 PM
Quote
IMO, the statistical balooning has more to do with the original, higher-rated players, retiring than it does with some sort of 2nd growth spurt.

possible but how do you explain quincy peters for example. He underachieved his whole career even with the magic. Then i got him for a bargain and didn´t trust him enough to be a starter. in his second year with me he had to be the starter and developed into a 20+pts scorer.
Not one not even me expected such scoring numbers but he even improved his ratings in my 3rd season and scored 30pts avg for me the next season(even then no one wanted him crazy )
But to top all that he was also a great rebounder and passer.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: NetsGM on September 21, 2007, 05:50:00 PM
Quote
Mehta was all-defensive 1st team in his 3rd season

Mehta might have been all-defensive 1st team his 3rd season, but SSBA awards mean jack didly poo (Michael Robinson just got first team all-ssba!  Does anyone believe it's deserved?).  He's a decidedly more well-rounded player now than he was at that point (14.1 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.4 apg, 3.4 bpg is nice, but it's nowhere near 20.8 ppg, 15.9 rpg, 3.6 apg, 1.0 spg, 4.2 bpg).  he took his strengths (rebounding and shotblocking) and improved on them, while becoming a legit #2 option, and a good passer.

Had KingsGM drafted him, he would have been traded after his first season of 10.6 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 2.1 bpg and 41% shooting.

Quote
IMO, the statistical balooning has more to do with the original, higher-rated players, retiring than it does with some sort of 2nd growth spurt.

Who was retiring in 2010 that precipitated Dwight's growth into absurdity?  There were incredible statistical players when we started (Yao and KG), and there are incredible statistical players now (Hakeem, Dwight, Mehta, etc).  Did Kyle Macy explode because someone retired?  7.6, 4.9, 8.4, 15.2, 12.8, 18.6 are his per game averages in his first 6 seasons, culminating with his 6th season making all-league first team.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: HornetsGM on September 21, 2007, 07:43:55 PM
Quote
Mehta might have been all-defensive 1st team his 3rd season, but SSBA awards mean jack didly poo (Michael Robinson just got first team all-ssba!  Does anyone believe it's deserved?).

So you ignore the part where I quoted his unreal stats from his 5th season?

What about the two guys who were the cornerstones of your championships, Emeka and Pettit? How about Mike Evans? And you mention Robinson -- how about him? How about Eddie Uner? Again, I'd say that stars are typically born, not made, and the vast majority of players don't have this super 2nd wind of improvement. When you see it, it's typically due to a change within the team or change of teams (Macy, for example (although two years ago he registered 7 apg)).

If anything, these discussions prove that there are no generizations to be made regarding how a player develops.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: NetsGM on September 21, 2007, 07:47:04 PM
Oh, I'm not trying to say all players develop this way.  What I'm saying is that people tend to get too frustrated when guys with high potential don't develop right away.  High potential doesn't mean that they are going to be great, but it means they're going to steadily improve for a long time.

Obviously, there are both people who are dominant right off the bat, and those who continue to improve well into their later parts of their careers.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: KingsGM-old on September 21, 2007, 09:04:39 PM
Oh, and there are people who don't improve at all. Like dozens of my "young prospects".

For example.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: SixersGM on September 22, 2007, 01:00:12 AM
Wow.. MJ..

All NBA team and ALL ROOKIE team.. Congrats.

Congratulations to everyone who made the play-offs. Good luck to all of you. Im rooting for an underdog team this year. :D I will tell you that team as the play-offs unfolds.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: BlazersGM on September 22, 2007, 08:56:54 AM
Congrats to Hakeem winning ROY, he deserved it really. From POs i expect nothing, if we can some upset, great, if not, still great, this team just started rebuilding, so getting to POs is already a big achievement. I just hope well get a great guy in draft and hopefully sign someone like Macy in FA with our cap, we had a pretty good record so i believe we have more chances of maybe signing 2 great guys in this draft over other teams with worse record.

Lets see.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: NetsGM on September 22, 2007, 09:35:04 AM
Jeremy Munson's another terrific example of someone who's still improving into his 8th season (every year for him's been better than the previous).


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: GoldenStateGM on September 22, 2007, 10:07:37 AM
Jeremy Munson's another terrific example of someone who's still improving into his 8th season (every year for him's been better than the previous).

Same thing with Don Collins...  He took about 3-4 years to hit his prime...


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: SpursGM-old on September 22, 2007, 11:34:27 AM
Finished the season with a 3-2 sim and broke through the Mavs stranglehold on the division crown.  No injuries headed into the playoffs.   :bounce:


Munson gets the Spurs only recognition for awards with a 2nd team all-league and 1st team all defensive.  This really reflects the balance of my team.  So a division and, with luck, a conference...and hopefully a league...titles will have to be the reward for my players.


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: WizardsGM on September 22, 2007, 12:53:22 PM
Jeremy Munson's another terrific example of someone who's still improving into his 8th season (every year for him's been better than the previous).

Had I expected this, I would not have traded him for half a cent on the dollar.... :bash:


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: CelticsGM on September 23, 2007, 04:31:35 PM
Jeremy Munson's another terrific example of someone who's still improving into his 8th season (every year for him's been better than the previous).

Same thing with Don Collins...  He took about 3-4 years to hit his prime...

none of Ivan's Kings rookie projects has even been with him for more than 4 seasons.
:-)


Title: Re: sim 12 up
Post by: NetsGM on September 24, 2007, 01:42:23 PM
So, I guess I need to officially eat my hat on Macy. What an idiot I am... :bash:

But, really....who saw that coming? Not me  :bods:

Agreed on kudos to Pacers for sticking to the schedule.