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Title: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: CavsGM on August 17, 2007, 11:16:11 AM
Michael Robinson

for

Scott Demler
Jerome Kersey
Matthew Marion
Dave Bradley
Pistons 2024 1st


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: NetsGM on August 17, 2007, 11:25:50 AM
Michael Robinson

for

Scott Demler
Jerome Kersey
Matthew Marion
Dave Bradley
Pistons 2024 1st

I agree.


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: NetsGM on August 17, 2007, 11:37:02 AM
With the signing of Brice, and the improvement of Wu, I think I have the right combination to compete this year AND with the youth of Barkley, Blackman and Wu, think I have the youth to still build a team for the future.  I got my post scorer, and surrounded him with 3 great outside shooters, and have my defensive big to funnel into.  I also have enough scoring punch to withstand a loss to one of my big 3.

But....I need depth.  Bad.  I replaced Kersey with Robinson, but also lost my 6th man in this deal.  So I gotta somehow find some pieces for some depth.  I have none right now.  Gonna be a slow paced Pistons team this year.

My only worry is that Demler improves.  He played well for me last year, and improved this TC.  I'm not sure he ever becomes a stud, but he should be a solid starter.  Hopefully he doesn't come back to bite me in the  :moon:


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: CavsGM on August 17, 2007, 11:43:55 AM
Robinson is a great player, my team wouldn't have been the same without him. He will be sorely missed. The Cavs have been all about depth and playing as a team these past few seasons including the championship run, but if I had to choose my best player overall, it would be Robinson. Anyway, I think I got good value in return for him. Demler is already a very good PG, but is still very young and will only improve, could be great in a few years. Kersey is decent but is also young and with potential so he could turn out to be something. The Pistons will be a good team but the pick shouldn't be too bad. I just hope I can trade my other guys in order to get this whole thing started...


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: HornetsGM on August 17, 2007, 12:08:12 PM
I think it's an interesting trade. The Pistons certainly look competitive now, but they gave up a lot of youth. I'm not sure that now was the right time to cash in that youth for a vet.


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: NetsGM on August 17, 2007, 12:33:40 PM
I don't think this puts me into contender status, but I do think it solidifies myself as a playoff team.  Robinson's only 28, so it's not like he's only got a year or two left.  If I can get some depth next year, and get continued improvement from Barkley/Wu/Blackman, I think I can turn this around.


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: PacersGM on August 22, 2007, 01:51:20 AM
please help me out here. i think kersey was traded already from the suns to the pistons. So if i am right this trade has to wait till day 31.


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: MagicGM on August 22, 2007, 06:41:08 AM
the calendar of fbb is until 185 only, right? if so.. then I think it would really be day 35.


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: MagicGM on August 22, 2007, 06:41:44 AM
31, I mean


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: NetsGM on August 22, 2007, 08:00:33 AM
I will pay for a Trade Exception (i.e. temp add $ to Bradley) to get this to go through.  So do Bradley, Demler and Marion and 1st for Robinson, then Kersey for nobody.  Since he's the only outgoing player, that will work.


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: PacersGM on August 22, 2007, 08:35:54 AM
I will pay for a Trade Exception (i.e. temp add $ to Bradley) to get this to go through.  So do Bradley, Demler and Marion and 1st for Robinson, then Kersey for nobody.  Since he's the only outgoing player, that will work.

do i understand that right?
you want me to include a trade exception?
If i understand it right we need 1 exception for the first part of the trade
Michael Robinson

for

Scott Demler
Matthew Marion
Dave Bradley plus exception
Pistons 2024 1st

and for the second part

nothing
for
Jerome Kersey

we don´t need a trade exception here?
why? cavs are over the cap so they can´t take a player for nothing.
i am not willing to accept that we can split now trade exceptions to make that kind of trade happen.
if you want to do it like that you have to buy 1 exception for each trade.


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: NetsGM on August 22, 2007, 09:14:35 AM
I will pay for a Trade Exception (i.e. temp add $ to Bradley) to get this to go through.  So do Bradley, Demler and Marion and 1st for Robinson, then Kersey for nobody.  Since he's the only outgoing player, that will work.

do i understand that right?
you want me to include a trade exception?
If i understand it right we need 1 exception for the first part of the trade
Michael Robinson

for

Scott Demler
Matthew Marion
Dave Bradley plus exception
Pistons 2024 1st

and for the second part

nothing
for
Jerome Kersey

we don´t need a trade exception here?
why? cavs are over the cap so they can´t take a player for nothing.
i am not willing to accept that we can split now trade exceptions to make that kind of trade happen.
if you want to do it like that you have to buy 1 exception for each trade.
Unless, I'm misunderstanding, all that needs to happen here is for the trade to be processed - not entirely sure what the delay is.
Pistons/Pacers - Kersey can be sent in the original deal since Pistons are under the cap. I'm quite sure that being below the cap lifts the recently traded restriction
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Players acquired in a trade have a trade restriction where they can’t be traded until 60 days have passed, unless one of the following two conditions are true:
They (the acquired player being re-traded) are the only person being sent out by their team in the trade.
The team trading that player (the acquired player being re-traded) is under the salary cap.
That eliminates that issue.
Second, it works in the checker straight up. Not even accounting for Pistons cap space.
Third, Cavs have 3 open roster spots. His team can fit a 4-1 deal.
Fourth, Pistons roster is at 8 after this trade. He signed a boatload of guys (after the deal was posted) under the correct assumption that the trade would be processed.
There is no issue with this trade.


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: NetsGM on August 22, 2007, 09:16:32 AM
That was my longwinded way of saying, "let's do the pre-season sim, shall we?"  8)


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: NetsGM on August 22, 2007, 09:47:58 AM
Sorry, I had it backwards.  Cavs are the one who needs to use a trade exception to take on Kersey.  I don't need to use a trade exception, since I have cap room.

Sign a min FA guy for the Cavs (one of the ones I already signed in the cuts/signings section, maybe), use the TE to bump up his salary, then trade him for Kersey, then Bradley, Marion, Demler and a first for Robinson.  I have the cap room to absorb it.

But, as NetsGM said, this original trade actually does work under the rules.  So none of this is necessary.


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: PacersGM on August 22, 2007, 10:29:37 AM
ok i didn´t know that rule. can you explain me why it is different for teams under the cap? Since it is the player that can´t be traded because of the 60 days rule. It shouldn´t make any difference what kind of cap situation the team is. i will proceed it for now but would like to know the reason for this rule.


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: NetsGM on August 22, 2007, 11:02:53 AM
Sorry, I had it backwards.  Cavs are the one who needs to use a trade exception to take on Kersey.  I don't need to use a trade exception, since I have cap room.

Sign a min FA guy for the Cavs (one of the ones I already signed in the cuts/signings section, maybe), use the TE to bump up his salary, then trade him for Kersey, then Bradley, Marion, Demler and a first for Robinson.  I have the cap room to absorb it.

But, as NetsGM said, this original trade actually does work under the rules.  So none of this is necessary.
As they say at ING, Derek, "save your money".
Pacers, I'm not entirely sure - standard FBB as far as I know. I think of it as one of the incentives/perks of being under the cap. You know, a benefit in the event that you get hosed during free agency....lets you make more moves.


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: NetsGM on August 22, 2007, 11:16:12 AM
Because that's the way it is in the NBA:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#85

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In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

    * For two months after receiving the player in trade or claiming him off waivers, if the player is being traded in combination with other players.  However, the team is free to trade the player by himself (not packaged with other players) immediately.  This restriction applies only to teams over the salary cap.  (Also see question number 72 for a special case where players can be traded together in less than two months.)


Title: Re: Cavs/Pistons Trade
Post by: NetsGM on August 22, 2007, 11:43:42 AM
Yeah, there's that too.