SSBA

thank you bods for making this file.

Looks deep!

Very nice group of talented players here, as expected. How many of you Philly fanboys are gonna be lined up to get a crack at Sir Charles?!?!? Hakeem, Bowie, Stockton, Jordan all look superb.
Keeping my fingers crossed that the Nuggs slip out of the playoff race. Being in the weaker (read: western) conference might just spoil my plans  :bash:.

Was Hakeem really 6'10''?

No.  He was 7'.  but for some reason basketballreference had him at 6'10", which is what I used:
http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=OLAJUHA01

Weird.

Haha, I guess it depends what basketballreference.com site you use...
http://basketball-reference.com/players/o/olajuha01.html (http://basketball-reference.com/players/o/olajuha01.html)

Thats why I always use the one with the " - "

He being changed?

Don't know.  That's Pacers call.

Wow! Jordan looks awesome! Anyone up for a bet? Michael Jordan over or under 9ppg on 30% shooting in his first 5 years? I'm going with under.

He obviously should have been A+ A- A- A+ A-.  I mean, his name's Michael Jordan.

How do you guys decide who gets what rating?

He plugs in their stats from their rookie season and the program generates the alpha-ratings

So does that mean in the right situation, Jordan will go for 28/6/6/2.4 his rookie year?

No. The problem KingsGM has, is that the program isnt the same as the real NBA. SOmetimes players dont play up to their ratings, sometimes they outplay their ratings, and a lot of times you are at the mercy of the randomness of the game and the random potential.

There's no such possible situation in this league. Forget it. :lol:

I don't think that's the right word. :lol:

Ok, on a serious side, ok, they suck and all, i'm used to it. But what's bothering me is; How come they're all worse then they were in real NBA? How come none of these players are actually better then they were in real life, you know, just by accident?

I've seen the same thing in Tom's league where guys like David Robinson, Hakeem, Jordan, Ewing etc etc all had great ratings as rookies and all were among top 3 picks and off course, they've all turned into trash. So i was thinking, if it's a random thing, then there has to be some odds for them to be the same or even better then in real life, no?

This looks like a pretty fair set of ratings for the pre-draft Jordan. He was never much of an outside shooter early on, and everything else for a draft prospect (who knows with his potential since its randomized) looks fantastic to me.

I don't know, Kings. I think you're looking at the half-empty part of the glass. I don't remember Buck Williams or Mike Gminski being as good as they are right now. Maybe you just invested in the wrong real guys.

No, you miss the point. There's nothing wrong with his ratings, they're great. But just like DrJ here for example, i'm almost positive it will have no impact on the game whatsoever.

Show me when Buck Williams played this good in the real NBA.

Or PG Mike Evans

Show me your record with him and i'll tell you how good he really is. Empty numbers. Like Ricky Davis of the Wolves for example.

So the real life Ray Allen sucks major donkey balls, apparently.

Better than your record with Magic

No comparision whatsoever. Ray Allen proved he can be a star on a winning team. Davis did not.

When? Oh, right, when he was surrounded with the right team. Go figure

And what exactly that has to do with what we're talking about here?

Ah, i get it, you don't have the right answer to that question. Ok, nevermind.

Why make an answer that you will look right past and only reply to something that fits what you want to hear?

Right team? Oh you mean 2 chuckers as Sam Cassell and Big Dog, on a team that was alergic to defense? But still, that was enough to be 1 game shy of the finals.

Apparently, here, in order for you star to be succesfull you got to have frontcourt that combines 18bpg and 72rpg, with couple of A+ or A (at least) defenders around him. And probably a SG or SF that shoots 65% from the arc.

Yes you are exactly right, because last year's Sixers and Blazers (the two finalists) definitely had all of those pre-requisites. Your arguments never have any factual proof. Grow up.

What answer?

I ask you, what is your record with your top picks, and your top player Buck Williams?

It is completely irelevant what's mine record with Magic cause it's pretty obvious how i feel about it and second, this has nothing to do with some childish piss match about who's a better team and things like that.

rofl.  nice one.
http://kingsgm.justgotowned.com/

No, it has to do with the childish piss match about "my team's not good enough and I need to find someone to blame".

Ah, 2 boyfriends, Nuggets and PistonsGM "owning" boys around.

btw, if MJ averaged 28ppg in his rookie season, he would end up with 45ppg in his prime. Unfortunately FBB is built that way, you can't create guys that are good early on and stay that way, it's either "improving until superstar status" or it's "great early and then declining"

FBB sucks in regards to player development options ...

Naw, I don't think I did -  my experience is that - with guys *that* good - you can get those numbers by mucking around with settings -  which will eventually lead to wins. Find some other players who excel in similar settings and voila.

Yes.  Yes it does.

Now if you think it is easy to have a losing team with Bird & Magic, think again. It's hard work, determination ... and complete ignorance of how teams (in sim leagues and in reality) have to be built. And you need time and time to find the right game settings ... and ignore them as well.

As i said, it's almost impossible to do (losing with Bird and Magic) but as we have to find out, it can be accomplished.
 :cheers:

If you want to win a championship, go with old geezers. The Pacers are proving the effectiveness of that strategy right now, as are the Celts. Blazers did it last last year with Yao and a shell of a team. Ivan has a point, insofar as the point he is making is that the drafts have been weak.
That said, there is nothing to complain about this year's draft, and eventually things will even out as all of the stars of yore have retired.

Arguing that drafts have been weak has never been my sticking point with Kings.

now wait a moment. Veterans win more? Rookies and Soph's lose more?

DAMN, that's big news to me, i have never seen that in my life before. Must be unique to SSBA, or probably the sim universe, since in the NBA it's usually the kiddy teams running away with the hardware, right ?


I just hope the original guys from the league start are gone soon, then we can all have an easier life ...
8-)

EXACTLY!

I've said the very same thing numerous times. Look at the conf leading teams! Pacers led by Lebron, Mavs have Emeka and Blazers won the title last year cause of 35 year old Yao Ming!! Is that a coincidence? Isn't that a shame? What kind of a league is that when the main players are 35 year olds? Where is the next generation?! Seriously, Pacers don't get me wrong, but this team of yours wouldn't have made the playoffs 7-8 years ago, let alone dominating. Nor would the Blazers won the title, no way! There's a huge, huge decline as far as overall quaility of the league is concerned, the entire league looks like a gigantic Eastern conference of the real NBA and as far as i'm concerned only a blind man can't see that. And that's all beacuse 90% of the drafties during the last 6-7 years have no impact on the game and are total underachievers.

For example, i'll single out some teams i think that made pretty good job at rebuilding and should be, at least to this point, respectable or even dominating teams;

Forgive me if i forgot someone but here are the five teams;

Knicks - done a pretty good job, really a nice core, on paper at least
Clippers - same
Nuggets - Buck, Gminksi (now Mchale), Kersey etc, good job.
Sixers - Had high draft picks in DrJ, Agguire, Nance etc (i'm probably forgoting someone), done everything he could.
Kings - as i said, all of my starting lineup were a top 5 picks bla bla bla

ALL FIVE teams are well below .50!!

Now, are we all incompetent GM's? Did we pick the wrong guys? Are we uncapable to find the right settings? NO! The answer is very simple - top prospects just sucks and they're not what they were supposed to be. From Magic, Bird, Larry Nance to DrJ, Lassale Thomspon, Mchale, Carrol and Isiah Thomas. NONE of this guy is capable of putting his team on the shoulder and make their teams at least respectable or to lead them to the playoffs. And don't give me that "you got to have a team" bullshit. Kobe led that sorry ass Lakers team to the playoff, in the West! Iverson was doing the same thing for years in Philly, KG in Minnesota, Carter & Kidd + bunch of total no namers were like a top 4 seeds in the East 2 years ago, besides Yao & Mcgrady Houston is total garbage and are like a top 4 teams in the West and so on. And if we talk about sim world, hell, i won 50 games with Danny Fortson and Brad Miller, 2 terrible defenders just beacuse Mcgrady was THAT good. So who is the next Mcgrady in this league?

look at the NBA

where's LeBron, the hands down best player in his 5th year? Lucky to get blown away in the finals when he shouldn't even have been there. Where's Wade? One title because of you-know-who had a last run left, and hardly dominating. Where's Carmelo? 1st rd and out. Where are the Bulls? building with youth for years and years and you never get the impression they are close to the top.

Who wins?

Old Pistons, old Spurs, Suns doing it with veterans, veteran Jazz, and veteran Nets riding nearly 70yrs of Kidd and VC.


guess FBB is closer to reality than we think

oh for crying out loud if you hate it so much just quit!

As soon as I saw that you failed to mention the Nets - with our later lotto picks, save for McHale - I tuned out the rest.  :moon:

I had the best record in the league last season with 6 of my top 7 being real players from these past drafts.  Mike Evans, Ron Brewer, George Johnson, Cliff Robinson, Bill Laimbeer (all starters) then Darko real but not from drafts.  Sure we made an early exit but that was the first time those guys had a real taste of the playoffs.  I don't see a problem with the leagues talent level.

Not to mention the GoldenState Warriors sporting all fictional players.  Sure, there's Barton O'Connell, who's a vet.  But people complained about him when he first came into the league as well.  He was in a "bad draft class" at the time, but now he's "an old guy who we can't replace with the new classes".

See the hypocrisy?  See the error?

Then, he's got impact players in Don Collins and Phil Hubbard who are still on their rookie contracts.

We could go into the 25-16 Nets, The Hawks, or any of the other teams led by "fake" players who came in from "bad" draft classes, but it won't matter.  Some people only see what they want to see, and as I said before only want to deflect blame from their inability to build a contender.

Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?

IMO, the better teams from years past would absolutely mangle top teams in the current league, with perhaps the exception of the Pacers. It would be fun to edit in, say, my 2010 or 2011 team and see what they did in this league.
Still, I suppose it's all relative.

i don't think it's as much inability (to build a contender) as it's ignorance.

Nobody can build a winner with offense only, yet he tries. And the ignorance comes from his truly believe, any team with Larry Bird and Earvin Johnson HAS TO rule the league, just because of their names.

You don't have to think my friend. That would be a crime against humanity. :lol:

Ah, good ol days, when we had this thing called rivarly. Hornets vs the Pacers, Nets vs Hornets, Raps vs Nets, Kings vs Warriors, Mavs vs Jazz...Now...shit, we got nothing, not a single rivarly! :lol:

Well, there is "Kings versus the World"!

Haha...Well we got to have some rivarly going on, don't we? :lol:

I actually enjoy reading these pissing matches..  :tup:

2 basic keys to a good record in FBB, as far as I can tell: at least A- D for your bigs with a unrealistic focus on shotblocking, and a low TO PG. The Knicks have pretty good defensive players everywhere except at the 5, giving up lots of FTAs and a high oFG% as a result.

That said, Isaiah is available!  :lol: No, he's just going to move to SG when Wade retires.

Well you have been doing nothing but arguing, whining and complaining about virtually every aspect of the league since I entered around 4 seasons ago, so why are you still here if you loathe it so much? (my money is on Tom, who doesnt love the guy LOL)

Well, if you would catch up, we could have our rivalry all over again. 
The lightning fast 5'11" Barton O'Connel vs. the 6'8" Magic Johnson...  Those would be fun battles to watch.
Tyson Thurmond blocking Bill Cartwright's shot, and yelling "Not in my house!!!"
The "Turnstile" Purvis Short, try to guard "Mad" Max...
And Don Collins with a crossover, and a smooth as silk jumper over Larry Bird, who is so impressed by Don's offensive skills that he whispers "And they call me a legend..."

Holly guacamole, so many great guys in this draft, hopefully ill be able to land one of TOPs to guide my team in future, it would be a perfect start of our rebuilding process.