SSBA

Sonics 1st rounder
Trevor Wells
Purvis Short

for

Vito Ramsay
Alexis hardaway
Corey Maggette

Lakers add Corey Maggette and Alexis Hardaway and then agree.  Those 2 are added for salary purposes.

SixersGM needs to accept with the added players.

No comments until then.

ahem, bods, the 2 players the Lakers are referring to were added by the Sixers about 9 hours ago.
Could we please have our comments back ?

yes bods the deal was already posted with the 2 players where is the problem?

he's ust testing whether you guys are looking closely to details ;)

The reason why I did the deal is because of Alexis Hardaway. He never got the opportunity to play. I bet that if he can get atleast 20 MPG, he'll be like Dwight Howard/Yao Ming type player.

I might cut Vito Ramsay (Fillers)

ok guys, here's the summary:

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Lakers (12:15)

A borderline lottery pick is what I wanted for Mr. Ramsey.  His unreal ball control was good, but wasted right now.  His contract is poor, so two expiring deals, one of which is a good young scorer, is a fair amount for an all-star caliber player.  Four or Five lottery picks should build well around Laporte and the Lakers are ready to jump into next season as a playoff contender.


Celtics (12:28)

ouch.
A washed-up vet and a one-dimensional shooter (not SCORER, mind you, with 14ppg you hardly qualify in that regard) who will be tough to resign for a fair price (despite playig no defense) for one of the top 5 PGs in the game, a 20/10 guys who DOES play defense (which seperates him from the Boblingers and Seymores who do not).

No picks (and the Sixers have PLENTY) which is the worst part of this deal.

This is a huge trade for the Sixers who get a REAL PG for the first time in like 10 seasons. I still don't see them good enough for a long playoff run, but you can do much worse than that (like resigning Short for like 10+ million ...)


Celtics (12:30)


no, it's not. And again, Short is no scorer, he's a shooter and little else ...


Lakers (12:40)

Celtics, I understood from your pm that you thought Vito was not worth as much as I "overvalued" him.  I did get a pick in this deal, unlike your first post indicated, and it will land me a good player because it will be another top 15 pick.  I did misspeak, maybe Short is a "shooter" but I have a team with the likes of Zack Profit and Don Laporte, I think it would be a smart move on my part to get a shooter to compliment those guys?  Maybe strectching the floor is a nice change for my team, rather than pounding it inside over and over again.  I will now have cap flexibility to go along with my picks.  With 2 serviceable PG's in a league abundant with PG's, I think that Vito Ramsey was expendable.  Why not make a change with the Lakers, the team I inherited was obviously poor and a change has to be made.  I am not winning with Vito, so what if I do not win this season without him.  This is a move for next season, not this season, I have no change of making the playoffs this year.  This deal makes total sense to me.

I appreciate your criticism.  You are a veteran GM and I am sure know the players much better than myself, but how about next time, make it constructive criticism.  Not an attempt to make me second guess myself when I know my deal is right.  Again, nothing against you, just disagree with you.


Celtics (12:50)

Hey, don't think i'm mad because I didn't get Ramsey, it is (and was) pretty clear to me that I do not have what's necessary for a player of his calibre. This is just an "objective" analysis from my point of view, as I do see the trade.

And when I see Zack ony our team, a shooter who plays no defense, I think the last thing you need to complement him is a shooter who plays no defense. Sure Ramsey was expendable (though i think he's by far the best of your PGs, just with a hefty salary) but why not take back players you can actually use (Zach and Purvis together will get you the "lead" n opp ppg soon)

The pick was no part of the original posted deal, but good you did add him as it makes this look a bit better ... only a little bit since the Sonics just had traded for superb PG Eddie Uner and their pick will be closer to #25 than to the top 15 at seasons end.


Pacers (12:51)

what an unneccessary trade by the sixers.
vito has a horrible contract ...is already 31 and makes no sense for the future at all.
the sixers gave up a good pick (even if the sonics improve it won´t be over 20) and expirings for a Pg who can be found much cheaper and younger in FA.

Lakers did a great job here.
they have now the chance to improve their roster in the offseason with 6 first rounders.. 4 possible lottos and cap space ... depends on their own players resigning.


Celtics (12:54)

Unnecessary?

You are trying to make a playoff run with a far worse team than the Sixers now have, with a great PG. Neither Short nor Wells did get them anywhere and the Sonics pick is a late first, so no short-term help at all ...


Pacers (12:56)


vito wasn´t even the best Pg on the lakers roster. His contract and age made no sense at all for the future.
Show me one team that would spend more than a first and expirings for an aging PG.
And for the sixers it makes no sense at all. They aren´t a PO team now and won´t be in the near future without adding another scorer.


Pacers (13:00)

Unnecessary?


you think the salcap they would have without vito would be no help at all. And wells and short combined for over 20pts a game.
they lost depth at the wings and gained nothing.
tell me who will play now backup behing erving and mark....
you really think the 76ers would win the title with such a trade?
all they did was risking their future.
No cap and if they make the POs his pick won´t bring much help either.


Lakers (13:02)

Celtics, I agree with your response post fully.  The only thing I do not agree with is Uner helping the Sonics that much.  That trade did concern me when this deal was first proposed a few sims ago.  Now after evaluating the Sonics, I think that they will get better but only marginally.  This might not be a lotto pick, but will be close.

Pacers, Thank you for the support, but I disagree that Ramsey is not the best on my roster.  Ford and Newton are average but Ramsey is very good.  He will help the Sixers probably get in to the playoffs but they do need a few more pieces to make a serious run.  I think SixersGM knows that as well.


Pacers (13:10)


the sonics pick makes no difference how i see that trade.
lakers got cap relief and a pick for a guy they didn´t needed.
vito would have made sense for a team like the celtics but sixers had a good chance to continue their rebuild in the offseason. Now all of the sudden they try to make the POs. No one can convince me that move makes sense at all.


CelticsGM (14:13)

the Celtics, Vito on the Celtics?
You are kidding me, right ?

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 :cheers:

Look at the Lakers' past two sims with Vito as an option and their starting PG. Then you'll realize how valuable he is.

Actually, I was burning the "phone lines" and trying to get myself a deal with a top tier PG. The deal was declined. Im happy that I end up with Ramsay, I think that he would be huge for my team when I start to compete next year, with an improved Erving, Nance and Aguirre. Honestly, Short means nothing to me. I really do not plan to resign him next year. So, its like a gift for the Lakers.

For the Lakers, I do think that no one is willing to give an expiring for Ramsay. And lucky for him, I was here to help him. Then with the 1st rounder and Purvis Short, i think that is the icing to the cake for him.

And btw, how can you guys overlooked Alexis Hardaway? He's cool.

hey you were the one who called vito a 20/10 guy.  :cheers:
of course that qualifies as an improvement over your PGs.  :lol2:
and maybe you call your promotion office. they are still featuring guys who are out of town or out of shape  :lmao: :lmao:

So why did you add the first, if you think that no one else offered expirings?
You had the chance to get around 8mill under the salcap with a buyout and instead took a bad contract?
And even if vito is a good PG you have to replace the scoring of short and wells.

Why did I add the 1st? Because the Lakers won't do the trade w/o the 1st rounder. And the pick will, most probably, just add a mediocre player on my team. Sonics are a pretty good team.

If Ramsay has a good contract, its legit that this trade is a rape. Ramsay, IMO, is a top 5 PG. And it is very seldom in FA that you can get players like him. ANd lets not forget that Im going to sign Goudin and Erving next season. That would put me over the cap.

Vito Ramsay: 22ppg (last two sims)

vito a top 5 guard no way.
not sure if he even had that 22pts since he surpassed that only 2 times the last 2 sims.
but he was outscored 3 out of possible 5 times from the other PG (Dylan Borgmann not a top 5 guard imo with 28/9/5, Dennis Mangrum 30/3/12, and isiah who could be a top 10 Pg without the TOs with 26/7/6)

and if he had a reasonable contract i call it a fair trade.

its a fair deal whether u like it or not :D

You're officialy insane. You need a treatment.

what what what???

Pacers said it right: "could be" ... but the TOs are there, so sorry for now. He does crack the top 20 tho ...



no, i do have IE cache activated, and i use it fairly often when sites are down or stuff like this happens ...

glad that i am already on the shotgun list so it can´t get worse  :lol:

Yeah, already being on Tommy's list you don't want to end up on Zeke's one either. Can you imagine that sandwich from hell??

yea that is really a sandwich made from hell. one can´t hit a shot the other has troubles to keep the ball in his hands  :lmao:

You've just officialy earned yourselves a spankings for the next decade. Curtesy of Zeke The Uzi Thomas & Tommy the Pumpgun Chambers. It will be a double pounding all over the place.

76ers need to cut a player before this can be processed.

Already posted that Im going to cut Corey Maggette after I agreed in the trade. 

you should know by now you can´t cut a guy who isn´t on your team. you have to make room for him first.

Sixers cuts Mason Mercer to make the deal work

Its officialy clear that the Lakers got the better end of this deal. I think the pick would be lotto bound.

i really dont understand this deal, its worse deal then mine and Celts, or Kings trading 4 picks for Tom Who ? :p

I wont lie to you that this is one of the worst trade I've ever made as a GM in SSBA.

THe reason why I did the trade is that, I was really intrigued with Ramsay at the time of the trade, he was averaging close to 19ppg 9apg with 1-2tpg. He was severely underrated for the fact that he was benched on the Lakers squad.

On the other hand, Short was forced to be a scorer on a team where there is no legitimate scorer than Mark Aguire. And Well's expiring is no use to me, since Im going to resign Dr.J, which I did.

It all comes down to whether Eddie Philips could succeed Vito Ramsay's contribution to my team. But either way, I do see that the Lakers got the better end of this deal.

Looking back at what I called the worst trade I've made as a GM in SSBA. I don't think that its that bad after all.

Vito Ramsay is playing well for my team. He is averaging double double numbers with 13ppg (prior to injury) 10apg and with only 1.9topg. He is regarded as one of the "studs" PG in the league right now.

On the other hand, Eddie Philips is averaging only 3ppg 2rpg in 16mpg. Purvis short ended up being overpaid (IMO) and with a long contract.

I don't think that it was that bad after all. But what matters is that both teams definitely become better this season compared to how they were playing last season.