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Here is how I rank this year's rookies. Basically just the order of which I think players may be selected, but without involving draft order of teams. This is only the top 15...

1) Tanner Houbregs(C) - Currently is on the same level as Oscar Ferry as far as ratings are concerned, but his A potential puts him far and beyond as the best center in the draft. Unlikely that he slips past lucky #1.
2) Emmanuel Griffin(C) - Ferry is the better center as of now, but Griffin's potential may attract GMs to select him so early in the draft.
3) Garrett Pettit(SG) - The overall best prospect in the draft, in my opinion. Pettit already has the ratings of an offensive juggernaut, and his A potential only makes him better.
4) Oscar Ferry(C) - The D potential may scare some GMs away, but guaranteed 20 PPG from the start is hard for anyone to pass up. Rounds out a small group of quailty centers in this draft class.
5) Lorenzo Ellis(PG) - Solid ratings all around and B potential make him arguably the best PG in the draft. As I said, arguably.
6) Mason Mercer(PG) - Mercer, as it stands now, has the best overall grades for any player in the entire draft. But his small size and average potental may hold him back from getting drafted top 5.
7) Ethan Terpening(SF) - Easily the best SF in the draft, but his D potential may drop him a couple spots.
8) Alvin Schenk(PG) - Not on the same level as Mercer and Ellis, but a very solid PG nonetheless. Sure to be drafted in the 7-9 range.
9) Ladon Curry(SG) - A decent combo guard but his D potential could cause him to fall out of the top 10.
10) Josh Parker(PG) - Slightly worse than Schenk, but still good enough to possibly make the the top 10.
11) Bob Diddle(SG) - A sharp shooting SG with good defense and B potential. A possible sleeper, if taken low enough.
12) Jamal Del Negro(SF) - Ratings are average at best, but his A potential raises his stock.
13) Kyle Hobson(PF) - Expect 14 and 8 from the PF, if given a starter's role.
14) Juan Cunningham(C) - Extremely poor defense, but the B inside and B potential could allow him to creep into the late lotto.
15) Nathanial Van Exel(PG) - C handling is terrible for a PG, but solid D and B potential may make him a top 15 pick.

nice analysis...I agree taht Petit is the best rated player but SG's are more likely to come along than a 7'4 301 center....which makes your mock draft very accurate imo

That's right. Houbregs is sure to be drafted with the first pick.

Nice Mock draft...  Well thought out...
Kills me that you have so many of the PG's going early though... Need one to fall to my spot   :wink:  lol

You're not alone. I'm hoping for one of the top PG's, but it's not likely that they'll fall to 8-9. As for you, your pick will be way too late. You'll have to settle for Nat Van Exel or Troy Havlicek, at best.

I already have Speedy Claxton...  There will be no 5'6" pg's on my team, I guarantee it!!!! :)

Nice mock draft, if you guys need a pg, I have Jason Terry available.

Nice mock, hopefully I'll have 2 top 5 picks.

how you know all of this :?:

He doesn't know, it's a mock draft.

it's speculation according to the ratings posted here:
http://ssba.phillyarena.net/draft/draftplayers-pos.htm

aaaahh...thanks. so, since i only have 2nd round pick, how will i know witch player will be available for me?

thanks again

You won't until the picks are made.

Please go to the draft forum and read the post I made.  I detailed the process pretty thoroughly.

 :?:
 :roll:

You will know which players are available by which players are available... If you have the 50th pick, for example, you can take anyone that was not already taken with the first 49......

So, accoriding to this mock, I would pick Oscar Ferry, Ethan Terpening and Kyle Hobson. Yeah, I'm down with that :)

I thing Del NEgro is a better propsect than Terpening.

B- B- D+ B- C- A -Del Negro (6'7, 254)

 B- B- C+ B+ C D Terpening (6'7, 227)


Same scoring, and Terpening is a better handler of the ball, and a slightly better defender and rebounder....with D potential. While Del Negro has A potential. And the body builds are different too.

Terpening is five grades ahead of Del Negro. He will not improve that much.

Actually he's 6, but 3 of those grades are in ballhandling (with 2 in defense and 1 in rebounding)

It really depends on your team.  If you have a team with a great pg and an inside presence, you're not going to need your sf to create.  Thus, you may go with Del Negro, who's probably going to end up the better scorer and possibly equal defender.

I think he will improve enough in defense to make it worthwhile.

But then again, I'm not targetting a SF, so I don't care :)

Other first round picks:

SG Thor Archibald: Good potential and defense. Shouldn't slip past the first round. Has the size to play the 2.

SF Lavar Piatkowski: Pretty well same as Archibald, but different position.

PF Ivan Litwick: Good rebounder at 6'10. Could be bigger though.

PG Cody Newman: 3 B ratings make him very decent.

PG Troy Havlicek: Earl Boykins II. 193 pounds as a 5'6 guy is HUGE. Me must be very muscular.

PG Eddie Crotty: A- defender. All around decent.

C Billy Cunningham: Defense and Rebounding off the bench, anyone?

193 pounds for someone 5'6" is crazy. Quentin Griffin is 5'7" 195 but he is a running back. For a PG, though, that would be a little awkward.

I dunno. He's someone im gonna look at potential lotto.

i don't know about you guys, but i don't like too much this draft players stuff...it's all fictional and i'll feel stupid if some non-existin player scores 30 or 40 on my team... :)  :?

This isn't the real NBA...

Yeah, he still is one of the top 4 to 6 point guards in the draft. Besides, I'm not sure if height and weight even matter in here.

I know for a fact it does for frontcourt players.



For the last time, this isn't the nba.  You need to deal with it.  The league will be flooded with fictional players from this point on.  If you can't accept that, there's no point in playing.

i know for gods sake! can't i just say what i feel?...

I agree.  You just CAN'T pass up a 7'4" 300 lb center with those skills.    Ab-so-lutely can't.  He should put up 24/12/3 right off the bat.

I mean, I've got Boozer and Okafor, both 20/10 guys, right now at pf and center.  I get the first pick and I don't think twice about who I'm taking.

The guy could have a D potential and he'd be a no-brainer #1 pick.  Top if off with an A potential?  You have to be stupid to pass.

He's one of the best prospects I've seen come out in one of these drafts in a while.  To put it in perspective, Yi Jianlian was a 7'2" center in the 2005 draft of our old league, and was the #1 pick that year.  His ratings were B   inside,  B defense, C+ rebounding, A potential.  Worse inside and worse on defense.

I just hope I can land one of the top 3 C's. They are all 20/10 guys.

You constantly bitch.  Nobody wants to hear you bitch about basical fundamentals of how the game is played.

How you know that?

Guess based on similar players.

Look at what Yao puts up.  But then realize he's not getting as many touches (peja) as Tanner will, and doesn't have as many rebounding or block opportunities as Tanner will (Yao has Dikembe and Diop, who both average 9 boards and 2 blocks/game).

It might be a little overinflated, but I would expect no less than 22/11/2.

I think one thing not to overlook in Tanner is C+ outside scoring.  Most of the top post players in the league have a C- or worse outside scoring rating.  2 level jumps is significant.  Not only does it mean that if he has a 10-15 foot jumper it's virtually unblockable, but his free throw shooting should be in the 73-78% range, rather than the 60-70 range.

Check out some of the big men's ft%
D Outside:
Shaq - 57.7% ft
Ben Wallace - 53.7%
Okafor - 61.7%

D+:
Tim Duncan - 65.9%
Samuel Dalembert - 66.4%
Chris Andersen - 64.6%

C-:
Marcus Camby - 70%
Dampier - 65.3%
Pau Gasol - 69.4%
Theo Ratlif - 70.4%
Ilgauskas - 71.1%
Stromile Swift - 66.6% (scary)
KMart - 68.4%

C:
KG - 74.4%
Yao Ming - 77.9%
Troy Murphy - 72.7%

B+:
Dirk - 78.4%

Obviously, there are exceptions.  But it seems to me that there is a pretty strong correlation that outside shooting effects ft%.  And that can really add up in a game.  Okafor went to the line over 8 times/game.  If he hits at 75% his average would have gone up a point per game.

There are only 10 pf's or c's (and most of them don't get time) in the entire league that have a C+ or higher outside ratings.

Ahh, but the thing is, there is a good chance that Pettit will be in the McGrady/Kobe class in this game...  He is most of the way there already.

This could be a Jordanesque draft, if Houbreg's potential is overrated...
But you always pick the size...

McGrady or Yao (who is similar to Tanner), who would you prefer?

The C+ rating for Houbregs also means that he'll be shooting some threes, and probably at a decent percentage.

In this sim or in real life?

Yao's overrated in real life.  Still a good player, but overrated.  There you take tmac.

In this sim?  Yao.  Just look at how far the Rockets and Kings went, respectively.  And the Rockets had Dikembe Mutombo, Charlie Ward and Donta Smith starting for them.

I like Pettit.   But this isn't Sam Bowie getting drafted ahead of him.  Tanner's not going to average 10.9 and 7.5 for his career like Bowie.  I would bet his career averages are closer to Hakeem's.  Plus he has half a foot on Hakeem.

Pettit needs his defense to improve 2-3 ratings classes before he can be talked about in the McGrady/Kobe/LeBron category of sg's.  And he'll always be undersized.

Ellis is ready to be a star. So is cunningham.

Anyone with a top5 pick should expect a star.

In the sim, of course...
It's not Bowie vs Jordan, but both Pettit and Houbreg have the potential to be the best players in the league in 2-3 years...

And I wonder if a position change for Pettit to PG would improve that defensive rating...

I will give you Ellis (he is 3rd on my board, with Griffin right behind him), but Cunningham is weak defensively.  It will take some improvement before he becomes a star....

Well, I've convinced myself to try to not talk about the draft beforehand.  I made an exception on Tanner because he should be so blatantly obvious ;)

Lol...
Considering your trading block that talked about Boozer,  I figured both your 1st and 2nd choices were pretty obvious.

I am well removed form the lottery, so I am not giving anything away by talking about those lottery bound players.  The only advantage of that.. lol

I'm actually not 100% sure on who I'd take second, and after 2nd thought getting the third pick probably wouldn't be as easy as I once thought.

I dont care about talking about them. There are 5 top players, I should get one. I'd take any of em.

I'm so pumped for the lottery, I hope the Magic get there FA's in today.

Yeah, this is kinda boring for me.  I was eliminated from the playoffs before all-star weekend ;)

Lol... Well, all I have to look forward to is seeing which PG falls through the first 19 picks... lol

ditto....I can't wait for that lottery to run....Tanner or Petit, I'll be a happy GM...But if I get Tanner i'll be jumping up and down...hoping that another Petit comes along next draft and the Knicks have a horrible season

Number one is a lock.  I bet numbers 2-8 are consistent on about everybody's list just differences in order depending on needs.  I will be happy with any of the top 8 with my #5 pick....but would sure love to get lucky in the lottery and move into the top 3.  And may be interested in packaging the #5 plus later picks or players to move up.

Mainly I am focusing on the sleepers to be found in the 18-25 range where I have 3 picks.  So you guys just keep talking away.......

Man, If I move into the top 3, from #4 and #7, I'm gonna be PUMPED.

You put Houbregs with D potential you basically have Oscar Ferry. But that is still very good. Houbregs is good, but he is no Rupp...  :)

Haha. Rupp... :roll:

I want Casey Dooley.

Would that be before or after twan edited him?  Because I had him barely cracking the top 10 before he was edited.

What do you think?

I want Billy C.  I'll even overpay to have him just for the name ;)