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Title: Sacramento Kings
Post by: KingsGM-old on November 22, 2006, 01:57:29 PM
Ask KingsGM whatever you want about his team in this thread.

For example; Why are you such a great visionary? :P


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: HeatGM on December 05, 2006, 06:01:24 AM
You've been an inspiration to me... please teach me to be a great GM like you... :hail:


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: KingsGM-old on December 05, 2006, 07:21:54 AM
CelticsGM is in his last semestar. After that i could find a time for you as well.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: CelticsGM on December 05, 2006, 07:38:27 AM
CelticsGM is in his last semestar. After that i could find a time for you as well.

that's why i keep telling him when his constant questions get on my nerves.

no, in fact i will teach a class next season as well and subscription is open until the end of this season.
 :tup:


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: KingsGM-old on December 05, 2006, 07:45:32 AM
As you can see Heat, he's a very stubborn student. It will take some time.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: HornetsGM on December 06, 2006, 06:43:56 PM
I think I will follow your model for rebuilding, I think you've done a very good job with it. I'm interested to see how it turns out, since I'll need to be rebuilding within the next couple years.

Not really a question, but w/e.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: CelticsGM on December 07, 2006, 05:20:53 AM
I think I will follow your model for rebuilding, I think you've done a very good job with it. I'm interested to see how it turns out, since I'll need to be rebuilding within the next couple years.

Not really a question, but w/e.

nice memo, full of sarcasm.
 :cheers:


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: MagicGM on December 07, 2006, 07:31:33 AM
I think I will follow your model for rebuilding, I think you've done a very good job with it. I'm interested to see how it turns out, since I'll need to be rebuilding within the next couple years.

Not really a question, but w/e.

nice memo, full of sarcasm.
 :cheers:
:lmao:


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: HornetsGM on December 07, 2006, 03:10:31 PM
I think I will follow your model for rebuilding, I think you've done a very good job with it. I'm interested to see how it turns out, since I'll need to be rebuilding within the next couple years.

Not really a question, but w/e.

nice memo, full of sarcasm.
 :cheers:

I'm not being sarcastic at all. He traded all of his assets for picks and expirings, then used his cap space to sign more assets and traded those for more picks, etc. He has a very good prospect to build around and is set to have the number 1 pick this year. Next year he'll have a few decent picks, and he'll probably stink again, so his pick should be pretty good.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: CelticsGM on December 07, 2006, 04:10:34 PM
oh, i agree. His GM skills might have "tremendous upside potential"

Of course, nobody can say if this will ever be a winning team, since all it has done so far is assemble pick after pick ... and loss after loss (apart from early last season when Ben and Tyson had them winning).

If obtaining a 25% chance at Isiah is a sign of being a good GM, then even the real Isiah might be a good GM after all ...
 :lol2:


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: SpursGM-old on December 07, 2006, 04:43:59 PM
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If obtaining a 25% chance at Isiah is a sign of being a good GM, then even the real Isiah might be a good GM after all ...

Except the real Isiah traded the top pick away then proceeded to earn a 25% chance of the Bulls getting it.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: KingsGM-old on December 07, 2006, 07:10:03 PM
Hornets; Forget it. You have to draw it to him. Mr .50 just won't understand.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: CelticsGM on December 08, 2006, 01:57:02 AM
Hey, we know your IDEA (you told us about 586 times), but I'm still waiting to see how you can build a contender through the draft and FA.

You've done it through FA and trades, assembling dozens of veterans towards the end of their career, and you were pretty successful, but that's not the point here.

You may have been on your way with the Magic/Ben/Tyson package, but
a) singning Ben an Ty was pure luck because of one former contender (Clips) not caring anymore
b) and leading a then-weakass western conf for a few sims is far from being contender already
but still, this COULD have worked with a few more moves ...  but you abandoned that try early.

So once again, PROVE it's possible, and I'll give you credit.
But don't demand credit for the IDEA (of rebuilding through the draft and FA). Cause the one name that comes to my mind here is JERRY KRAUSE ... and he failed miserably !
 :?


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: KingsGM-old on December 08, 2006, 08:35:38 AM
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but I'm still waiting to see how you can build a contender through the draft and FA.

Is there any other way?! :lmao:

Oh i get it! I should collect as many  2nd rounders as possible and try to trade them 24/7 for superstars.

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You may have been on your way with the Magic/Ben/Tyson package, but

...but i'm not interested in short term plans.

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But don't demand credit for the IDEA

I'm not demanding anything. I'm just answering (over and over again) to your silly questions.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: CelticsGM on December 08, 2006, 08:48:05 AM
yes, there is another way than selling your whole team for picks and suck badly (and I mean really badly) for a few seasons. It's to develop talent, even from lesser picks, and get better through trades, and finding the best team chemistry.

It's the way 28 GMs take here, and at least a few of them got a title from that too.

I have not seen ONE title team which made it possible through the draft.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: KingsGM-old on December 08, 2006, 09:43:42 AM


I have not seen ONE title team which made it possible through the draft.

 :lmao:

(hint, it starts with a N and won multiple titles)


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: MagicGM on December 08, 2006, 10:11:47 AM
Nicks?  :o


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: SpursGM-old on December 08, 2006, 10:17:31 AM
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Quote from: CelticsGM on Today at 07:48:05 AM


I have not seen ONE title team which made it possible through the draft.


 

(hint, it starts with a N and won multiple titles)

He drafted ONE player and signed ONE free agent.  Everyone else who has tried to build through multiple draft picks has not succeeded so far.  Not to say you won't but that chances are slim.

BTW the player drafted was fictional.   :lmao:


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: KingsGM-old on December 08, 2006, 10:24:01 AM
Just to make it clear. I'm not planning to build solely through draft. I've never said that. My MAIN, and ABSOLUTE goal is to get TWO franchise players on rookie contracts. One i already have in Magic and i hope with the # of picks i have one of them will turn into that second fiddle. Will it going to be Tom Chambers, Buck Williams, Wilkins or whoever, it's irelevant. But as i said, Magic + another great young stud (preferably inside) would be a 80% of the job done. After that, i'll use my cap to sign some defensive minded and role type players.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: KingsGM-old on December 08, 2006, 10:32:25 AM
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BTW the player drafted was fictional.

What that has to do with anything?


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: HeatGM on December 10, 2006, 01:40:46 AM
could the KingsGM be the GM of the year next season?  :D


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: NetsGM on December 10, 2006, 01:03:02 PM
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Quote from: CelticsGM on Today at 07:48:05 AM


I have not seen ONE title team which made it possible through the draft.


 

(hint, it starts with a N and won multiple titles)

He drafted ONE player and signed ONE free agent.  Everyone else who has tried to build through multiple draft picks has not succeeded so far.  Not to say you won't but that chances are slim.

BTW the player drafted was fictional.   :lmao:

I know that I for one am gonna give this plan a shot in this league with McHale, Cho, Magliore, Payton, Macy and whoever I can nab this year - that's three long term starters at least (with good potential) in two years and another probable lotto pick this year. Not that I won't augment this with free agency and trading, but they'll be the core of my team for a long, long time. I have a sim history of (having an itchy trigger finger when it comes to) trading off my best draft picks before they bloom, but I've so far resisted this trend here.  :cheers: Kudos to Kings if he can pull it off as well. BTW, kings....knowing your affinity for *real* players, I have one for you if you're willing to move your pick this year. You get one hall of fame PG and one hall of fame SG all in one fell swoop  :lol:


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: CelticsGM on December 10, 2006, 04:23:05 PM
and that's the big misconception here.

Kings were never interested in the outlined Nets way of rebuilding. This is a good way, imo, but it takes time and some luck .. and won't guarantee a title, because it's hardly superstars you build around here. But you give young guys with pot time to develop and actually build a team over time.

No, completely contrary to this long-term plan the Kings ONLY want superstar rookies and fill the rest of the rosters with good but old veterans and defensive-minded role players. Develop rookies? No way. Success (aka title) has to come within a season or two. And unless that is realistically possible they suck as badly as possible. Build a team over time? Heck no, try to get two superstars in the draft and sign players for a contender right away.

And that's exactly what i believe is the wrong way.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: HeatGM on December 18, 2006, 11:15:35 PM
when will you be getting married? like blazers GM   :D


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: KingsGM-old on December 19, 2006, 08:00:42 AM
My parents would like to know the answer to that question as well.

There are some things to be made before that. Don't want my wife to make more money then me. That's no good.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: SpursGM-old on December 19, 2006, 09:13:42 AM
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Don't want my wife to make more money then me. That's no good.


I wish my wife made more money than I do...then I could retire.
 :lmao:


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: KingsGM-old on December 19, 2006, 09:16:11 AM
Well yeah, but who knows, you might as well end up as a single in that case. :)


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: HeatGM on December 19, 2006, 07:46:56 PM
My parents would like to know the answer to that question as well.

There are some things to be made before that. Don't want my wife to make more money then me. That's no good.

nice plan  :tup:


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: CelticsGM on February 16, 2007, 08:44:23 AM
Would you go as far as calling this whole "rebuilding through the draft" experiement a failure ?

We're in what, season 3 now, and this is a SIM league. Heck, even Jerry Krause/Pax did make it back to respectability in 5 seasons, so what's your opinion on this ?


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: KingsGM-old on February 16, 2007, 09:23:38 AM

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Would you go as far as calling this whole "rebuilding through the draft" experiement a failure ?

Off course not.

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We're in what, season 3 now, and this is a SIM league. Heck, even Jerry Krause/Pax did make it back to respectability in 5 seasons, so what's your opinion on this ?

No panic whatsoever. I have 3 very good, young prospects on rookie contracts, lots of cap and what i belive a good pick next year. I could wait some more. Fortunately, sim seasons are alot shorter then the real one.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: SixersGM on May 01, 2007, 02:28:43 AM
This season: Success or Disaster? why?


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: CelticsGM on July 11, 2007, 08:30:06 AM
let's get that "GM of the year" thread running again.

After looking at your ridiculous trade thread
... As i said, i have too many guys with good looking stats that just doesn't translate into wins. And that's the only thing that matters.
i need to ask a few questions.

Are you seriously interested in making the Kings better?
Since whenever something seems to work you revert back to some ugly lineup change ... and as long as you start Bird at PF, JBC at C and a let a guy like Nathaniel run your team you have no business to wonder what's going wrong.

So what are the plans? Winning? Continue tanking?

Or making the Kings ultimately better by trading ... the GM !
;-)


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: HornetsGM on July 11, 2007, 02:47:00 PM
Low blow to accuse a GM of tanking when he doesn't have his picks for the next 2 years.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: CelticsGM on July 11, 2007, 03:01:28 PM
if he had his picks, it would be an accusation and an insult.
if he does not have his picks, it's simply lining out some bad GM'ing ...

no, it's for the fun only, he's a great guy ... and without Ivan, this league would lose a lot of excitement.


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: SonicsGM on July 11, 2007, 05:59:16 PM
without Ivan, this league would lose a lot of excitement.

We'd at least be without some outrageously wacky comments.   :tup:


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: HeatGM on July 30, 2007, 01:27:28 AM
hmmm....where is ivan??


Title: Re: Sacramento Kings
Post by: MavsGM on July 30, 2007, 10:58:58 AM
Vacation.