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http://rosters.ssbabasketball.com/draft/draftplayers-pos.htm

I guess this mean's (http://rosters.ssbabasketball.com/players/player167.htm) KingsGM is going to tank even more  :tup:

lol the best thing he can do is to draft another PG

Haha..you bastard. I know whatever i say won't make you change your thoughts about my actions so be it. :)


I knew this is the year of Isiah even last year (belive me, i've analized the entire draft for the next 3 years) and that is major, major concern for me. Majority of the top players coming in the next years are Magic's position with very few of them (Buck Williams, Tom Chambers,    LaSalle Thompson) being quaility bigs. I have yet to determine how i'm going to handle that. Drafting superstar like Zeke or Wilkins and then trading them for real time inside player (and there aren't many of them right now) is going to be a very dificult task.

Anyway, looks like a pretty good draft. Couple of good bigs and plenty of slashers and good guards.

Just by a quick look this is how i would rank them all (off course i have no idea how Bods created them, just looking by ratings and their careers)

1. Zeke; amazing.
2. Tom Chambers; i could really use his offensive arsenal down low
3. Buck Williams; looking really good
4. Danny Schayes
5. Albert King - offensive machine
6. Bill Laimbeer - quaility banger
7. Mark Aguirre - already looks like a good scorer and potentialy a very good defender
8. Kelly Tripucka - 20ppg but very questionable defense


Others; Ronaldo Blackman, Orlando Woolridge and Larry Nance are all kinda too weak IMO. They were a pretty good players.

I was looking at the old draft preview and there was a 7'4 giant with B+ inside and B-B at D and rebounding I think with A pot.  Should of left him in the draft.

Not supposed to be an exact replica.  Thanks.

Ok ok, don't get mad right away.

Anyway, i wanted to ask that before. How are you making the players? Based on what? Is their true potential and current ratings the only indicator of how good they're going to be or you're taking their careers and numbers as well into the consideration (i guess sometimes you do and sometimes you don't cause of the "suprise" sake).

I base their ratings off their first year production.

Their potential is random.

Then I tweak some players just to make the draft more balanced.

That's why Rolando Blackman's ratings are pedestrian.  He was a 13.3/3.1/1.3 player when he first game into the league.

Shit.

every year the same stupid questions and the same stupid reaction.
bods, why don't you just link to the discussion from 2016 and 2015 and 2014 ...
 :moon:

This draft looks great. I hope the rockets start to lose games...

i apologize if i'm asking things that have already been answered, but when Michael Jordan enters the game are we saying that he has an equal chance of having an A potential as he does having a C potential?

How the hell should i know. Every commish has its own rules.



Before Magic came to the league i don't think i've took a look at draft discussion more then once or twice since i've came here.

Yes.

My goal of creating a draft file is not to mimic players.  What I try to do is make players have the same physical characteristics, and have the same strengths.

For example, Charles Barkley will be a 6'6" PF, who's a better scorer and rebounder than he is defender.  Now, Charles Barkley could be a 10/8 kinda guy, or he could be a 22/12 kind of guy.  That's not guaranteed based on the name.  But his game will have the same strengths and weaknesses he had in real life.

If I tried to create an exact replica, it would take a lot of the unknown out of drafting.  And that I don't want.

And that's what i find problematic. It means the only way we can be somehow sure of one's quaility is to pay for a true potential. But who has enough cash to pay for 3 or 5 guys every year comes draft time?

We've discussed that before. There is no certainity in real life and we can't create one here. Would that be nice to have? You bet. But if that were the case, busts like Pervis Ellison, Kandi-man, Kwame, Darko, and Christian Laettner would have never happened.

And believe me, i'd take Earvin with F pot in a second. Some guys are so far ahead that it would take lesser talents with high pot 5,6 TCs to even reach Magics level.


Oh, and before I forget: POTENTIAL IS NO QUALITY. Potential is an IDEA of what MIGHT happen. RATINGS are the quality, and you can see those right away at the preview page.
(well, more accurate would be: ratings are a brief summary of various "qualities" you have to discover in detail yourself over time)

:-)

Hence why I had no problems drafting guys with D and C potential at 1 and 5 respectively this year.
That said, neither improved in TC yet both of their potentials went up 1.

so Ivan would say they both are full of "potential-improvance" QUALITY ...
 :lol2:

ouch, there are some big names missing from the 1981 draft class again:

Jay Vincent, 21ppg in his rookie campaign (and 15/6/2 in 9 productive seasons)
Eddie Johnson, 20/6 in his 2nd season (16ppg for his 17yr career)
Danny Ainge, one time All Star, couple of titles, and a handful of 15/3/6 seasons
and Frank Brickowski, 10ppg, 5rpg on 52% shooting over his 12 yr career.

these were no 2nd round slouches ...
:-(

remind me about them and I'll include them next year.

btw, I do specifically say I'm only doing round 1.  People I have a personal affliction for I include from other rounds (i.e. mo cheeks), but there will be good players left out.

I second the vote for Danny Ainge!

Yes we have and i never got the right answer. And your post proves you only see what your eyes want to see. In real NBA 9/10 times high draft picks (let alone first picks overall) turn into true studs. In your league (and the pattern is very similiar here) you never know what you gonna get (which is just dumb and completely unrealistic) and the odds to draft a bum are much, much higher. Jordan a 20ppg player in his 2nd year? David Robinson is average, Patrick Ewing sucks? Sarunas Marciliuonis being waived 2 times? Reggie Miller looks like a garbage, Karl Malone looks the same as Oliver Pig Miller and so on and on.

But hey, keep it up. With this wonderfull next generation and future superstars in just a few years we will have the majority of players with C+ and B- ratings with Michael Jordan leading all scorers with 16ppg on a 39% from the floor! :tup:

You are wrong...and here's the proof.

1998 draft ... 1-Olowokandi, 3-LaFrentz, 6-Robert Traylor, 7-Jason Williams, 12-Michael Doleac, 13-Keon Clark
1999 draft ... 5-Jonathan Bender, 6-Szerbiak, 11-Trajan Langdan, 12-Alexander Radojevic, 14-William Avery
2000 draft ... 2-Stromile Swift, 3-Darius Miles, 4-Marcus Fizer, 5-Mike Miller, 6-Dermarr Johnson, 7-Chris Mihm, 9-Joe Przybilla, 10-Keyon Dooling, 11-Jerome Moiso, 13-Courtney Alexander
2001 draft ... 1-Kwame Brown, 4-Eddy Curry, 8-Diop, 9-Rodney White, 11-Kedrick Brown
2002 draft ... 2-Jay Williams, 5-Tskitishvili, 6-DeJuan Wagner, 13-Marcus Haislip

There are a ton of top picks that do not amount to anything.

The point of this game is to win by scouting, not knowing how their careers ended up.  NBA General Managers put their clubs together without the knowledge of how Karl Malone or Reggie Miller actually played throughout their entire career.  Conversely, they do not know that Jonathan Bender and Robert Traylor are complete garbage.  If we all knew how these guys turned out in the end, then there would be no game. 

There is no way that 9/10 of all draft picks "turn into true studs"

I'm not sure, what is worse:
DJSL-MJ averaging 18.3ppg, 4.5rpg, 4.5 apg as 2nd option with INSIDE focus on a team with 2 big scorers (27ppg, 20ppg) up front. In his 2nd season.
or
SSBA-Magic averaging 19ppg, 6.5rpg, 9apg and 5 TOpg (!!!) on 40% shooting on a team with basically just him and one other guy capeable of scoring. In his 2nd season too (where in real life he got 21/9/9 on 53%).

ever heard of "not fitting his strengths"? believe me, MJ would average close to 30ppg when made primary option and the Nets system supports him.


But you're right, Malone will need years to develop, the cpu just got him wrong.
(on a sidenote, i doubt too many scouts could see him develop into a 20ppg scorer in his 2nd season when the Jazz took him #13 after studs like Tisdale, Koncak, Benjamin, Kleine, Pinckney, Keith Lee and Kenny Green ...)
 :?

This is were you made a mistake. Just because someone is terrible at judging the young talents doesn't mean it was a bad draft. The minute i saw Olowokandi i couldn't have belived he was a 1st rn pick. That tells you more about terrible scouting job, not draft itself. Anyone who picks Olowokandi or Raef Laftrenz over Mike Bibby, Vince Carter or Paul Pierce has no idea about basketball (and i would tell you the same about last couple of drafts - Bogut over Chris Paul or Bargnani over Adam Morrison or Rudy Gay is a complete idiocy).

With that being said, let me continue;


Sure, But that draft gave one of the best pg's in game in Mike Bibby, superstar Vince Carter, hellava scoring machine Antawn Jamison, Larry Hughes, Paul Pierce and one of the best players in the game Dirk Nowitzki. That's a fantastic draft if you ask me.


You took me literally but still that year couple of top picks certanly didn't dissapoint;  Elton Brand, Shawn Marion, Baron Davis, Lamar Odom, Corey Maggette,  Jason Terry, Steve Francis (who had a great career in Houston) and Andrei Kirilenko. Still a hellava draft if you ask me.


 Just one weak draft. Tends to happen (probably because people are declaring themsleves more and more earlier ready for the draft so it's just a side effect cause colleges just can't produce high talent every year in such short time)

...and so on.

My point is next; I'm not against busts in the draft. I can hadle that. But the poor overall quaility of the draft. That's the point. Tom's last draft should have been one of the best in history and it didn't (so far) produced a single franchise player! 99% of the TOP picks just sucks and that's unexcusable and completely unacceptable! Before Patrick Ewing and David Robinson came into the league anyone who ever watched a single pick up game knew those 2 are going to be a true giants of the game and both had a great career. And just look at them now in DJSL? Former #5 and #1 pick overall in the draft are barely averaging double double COMBINED (!!). That leads you to the point where you're asking yourself is there any sense and meaning in all this?

great you mention the topic "franchise player".

Let's take a closer look at Pat Ewing, who you consider being one (and you're utterly disappointed how he does in DJSL).

He came into the league as top pick in 1985 and immediately contributed 20ppg, 9rpg and 2 blocks and went to the AllStar game. Of course, the Knicks won 23 games since he was just about all they had after Bernard King missed the complete season injured.

In his 2nd season (where he is in DJSL now) he upped his stats to 21.5ppg and 8.8rpg and the Knicks won one more game (24), maybe because Bernard King played the final 6 games.

Only in his 3rd season, when they drafted Mark Jackson did he go to the playoffs for the first time (with a 38-44 record), but his averages dropped to 20ppg and 8.2rpg (but with nearly 3bpg), still as the main option on the Knicks, just his supporting cast got slightly better now. They lost in 4 playoff games with Pat getting 19/13/3.


Was he a franchise player? Sure, because they had nobody else, and later in his career he developped into a great perennial all star and even led them to the finals. But early on he had nice stats on a team losing big (much like Elton Brand, whose two 20/10 seasons to start his career were lost on a Bulls team winning 17 and 15 games respectively).

Now take the DJSL Ewing.
He averaged 10ppg, 7rpg and 1.2bpg in 28mpg in his rookie season, playing behind star Scott and Chris Bosh. This season, in a backup role behind Tang Zhengdong (for whatever reason) he gets 7/7 and 1.3bpg in 24mpg.
Btw, in a preseason sim where Ewing started he averaged 17ppg, 7.7rpg and 1.5bpg. If you ask me, that's perfectly fitting his real life stats.

Why?
Consider the opponents Ewing had to face at the C position in the NBA in 1985: Parish, Malone (all past 30), Gminski, Alton Lister, Ruland, Willis, plus twice a year Akeem and Kareem.
Now in DJSL, it's Gasol, Hugo Radnidge, Yao, Akeem, Perkins, Olsen, Julian, Emeka, the Admiral, and a few times Duncan, Bogut, Papanicolou, Hawes, Gumbley, Crigger just to name a few.

Most of these are players in their prime having been in DJSL for a few seasons, all averaging big numbers.


So please keep thing in perspective. Much as the real life Ewing wasn't a superstar right away (or if he was considered one it was because of a washed-up league when it comes to dominant centers), the DJSL Ewing isn't crap but first has to face much much tougher opponents and still gets numbers close behind his real life counterpart (when given the MINUTES and SYSTEM to perform best)

His ratings don't look overly impressive, but in a very good league full of dominant big men he still gets his numbers ... and will only improve over the next seasons.


Final statement. There is no such thing as perennial franchise players that will immediately turn teams into contenders coming from the draft. Nor have there been in real life. Ewing took 3 seasons for a playoff appearance, Jordan 6 seasons to go to the conf finals, Hakeem rode Sampson early and won a title after 10 seasons, and these were the best of the best.

sorry to disappoint your hopes of building a champion through the draft.
 :cheers:

As usual. Neverending posts telling absolutely nothing and completely missing the point.

Ok, do what you want. And don't forget, BEWARE of the talent. It may crowl under your bed at night and do some really bad stuff.

what point?

THERE ARE NO FRANCHISE PLAYERS bringing a title right away coming from the draft. Neither in reality nor should there be in sim leagues (would make tanking far to attractive)

Just take it as it is.

You're dumb if you think i'm asking for instant title player right from the draft!!!! WHO THE FUCK MENTIONED THAT???

Jesus ***** Christ!!!

you ONLY ask for instant success players.

Nobody apart from Magic, Shaq or Isiah is even remotely interesting to you. That's why you will fail your "draft rebulding projects" so badly, because you still believe Shaq and Magic could win with some min FA pickups.

;-)

It's playoffs guarenteed this year!

Dear God... :|

Honestly, even though you think you are going to get tired of the countless pages of back-and-forth bitching by the KingsGM and tom you never really do.

its funny because its true, good call brother  :cheers:

Bod, i think this thread is better be moved at the General Board section.