Title: Warriors trade block Post by: GoldenStateGM on March 10, 2005, 08:46:11 AM Well, it the right offer came along, I would be interested in trading Mike Dunleavy.
Name Pos Age Height Weight In Out Hn Df Reb Pot Mike Dunleavy SF 23 6'9'' 230 C+ B C B C A What will it take to get him? Either a lottery pick conditional on the player I want to be available. Or a young top flight point guard. My draft pick could also be included, if the deal was good enough. If he were in the draft this year, he would easily be the 1st or 2nd small forward taken. Title: Warriors trade block Post by: GoldenStateGM on March 14, 2005, 12:25:16 PM Bump....
SF who is already decent with A potential, and no interest at all??? I am a bit surprised. Title: Warriors trade block Post by: LakersGM-old on March 14, 2005, 12:29:26 PM Not at what youre asking, i dont believe hes worth a lottery pick, I'd also take Jamal Del Negro over him any day, so hed probably be the 2nd SF taken. And even if he was, I think there are more than 13 players id take in the draft if he were available.
Title: Warriors trade block Post by: GoldenStateGM on March 14, 2005, 12:33:47 PM Well, I may be willing to lower my requirements... but no one has even tried.
Title: Warriors trade block Post by: RaptorsGM on March 14, 2005, 12:41:23 PM I'm gonna PM you right now.
Title: Warriors trade block Post by: MavsGM on March 14, 2005, 04:49:20 PM Quote from: GoldenStateGM Well, I may be willing to lower my requirements... but no one has even tried. Should of never set your goal that high in the beginning. Title: Warriors trade block Post by: NetsGM on March 14, 2005, 05:01:18 PM You always start off higher than the lowest you're willing to accept. bargaining 101 here guys...
Title: Warriors trade block Post by: GoldenStateGM on March 14, 2005, 05:02:52 PM Quote from: NetsGM You always start off higher than the lowest you're willing to accept. bargaining 101 here guys... :wink: Title: Warriors trade block Post by: CavsGM on March 14, 2005, 05:21:56 PM I wouldn't take Jamal Del Negro over Dunleavy but I would take Ethan Terpening over him.
Title: Warriors trade block Post by: RaptorsGM on March 14, 2005, 05:26:51 PM Quote from: CavsGM I wouldn't take Jamal Del Negro over Dunleavy but I would take Ethan Terpening over him. you wouldnt take del negro over dunleavy???? Title: Warriors trade block Post by: CavsGM on March 14, 2005, 05:35:01 PM Quote from: RaptorsGM Quote from: CavsGM I wouldn't take Jamal Del Negro over Dunleavy but I would take Ethan Terpening over him. you wouldnt take del negro over dunleavy???? Do you see what I'm seeing? Because Dunleavy's grades are definitely better. Title: Warriors trade block Post by: RaptorsGM on March 14, 2005, 06:34:40 PM Del Negro- B- B- D+ B- C- A
Dunleavy- C+ B C B C A I guess you're right. But Del Negro is alot cheaper. And he has alot more bulk. Title: Warriors trade block Post by: GoldenStateGM on March 15, 2005, 11:35:21 AM Quote from: CavsGM I wouldn't take Jamal Del Negro over Dunleavy but I would take Ethan Terpening over him. I have never been through an SSBA draft, so this interests me... Does his (Ethan's) D potential turn you off a great deal? Title: Warriors trade block Post by: NetsGM on March 15, 2005, 12:02:59 PM You just have to realize what you see is what you get. He's not likely to improve, at all, throughout his career.
That said he'll be one of the more productive rookies. It's all what your team needs. If you're looking for a superstar, don't take him. If you need a role player that can help you get over the top, take him. Heck, it's not out of the realm of posibility that he wins ROY. Title: Warriors trade block Post by: NetsGM on March 15, 2005, 12:15:23 PM In that same breath, you look at someone like Oscar Ferry. In real life, I compare him to someone like Elton Brand. Elton came into the league averaging 20/10 with 2+ blocks. He hasn't really improved upon those numbers, but he's been a consistent 20/10+. Oscar's like that. He may never have that extra *umph* to improve as he gets older, but he's a guy who's going to come in here and put up 20+/10 right from the getgo.
Title: Warriors trade block Post by: GoldenStateGM on March 15, 2005, 12:19:39 PM I am very curious to see how everyone drafts... Will a player like Oscar Ferry be a lottery pick, or will he drop?
It is tough to project, especially when you do not know the tendencies of the players of the elague. This first draft should be a good learning experience... Title: Warriors trade block Post by: NetsGM on March 15, 2005, 12:24:47 PM Big men go quick in this draft. I'd say there's no way someone with ratings roughly equal to Kenyon Martin's doesn't go top 10.
Title: Warriors trade block Post by: GoldenStateGM on March 15, 2005, 12:28:15 PM Good thing I am set with big men.. lol.
Seriously, though, I think I was looking at the draft and thinking people would be hesitant about picking players with bad potential ratings... I have to readjust my draft board accordingly... Centers and SG's in this draft... Title: Warriors trade block Post by: NetsGM on March 15, 2005, 12:29:55 PM i think with wing players and pg's people are more hesitant with potential, less so with big men.
I've done mockdrafts right before the draft before. Of course, I think I'm going to pass on doing so because I don't want to let people in on how I view them. I'm always looking to acquire extra picks and don't want to alert people to any sleepers :) Title: Warriors trade block Post by: GoldenStateGM on March 15, 2005, 12:34:44 PM Quote from: NetsGM i think with wing players and pg's people are more hesitant with potential, less so with big men. I've done mockdrafts right before the draft before. Of course, I think I'm going to pass on doing so because I don't want to let people in on how I view them. I'm always looking to acquire extra picks and don't want to alert people to any sleepers :) Interesting... Do the big men typically have better starting stats, or is it just a human nature thing? Title: Warriors trade block Post by: NetsGM on March 15, 2005, 12:36:42 PM No, it's just big men typically are in higher demand. Even if a guy only ever gets to B inside, B defense and B rebounding for a big man it puts him in short compoany.
Title: Warriors trade block Post by: HornetsGM on March 15, 2005, 12:57:03 PM The bottom line on potential is that it's rare for a guy to improve vast amounts even if he has A potential. I've never seen an across the board C player develop into a star.
In training camp, even a guy with great potential will only improve in 2-3 (possibly 4) areas, and most of the time the difference is only a plus/minus fraction of a grade. For the most part, starters are only found in the lotto, although sometimes in a decent draft a pg or even a sg/sf will slip through to the later part of the draft. Title: Warriors trade block Post by: NetsGM on March 15, 2005, 01:16:30 PM For the most part after the top 10 you're looking for role players, but there are exceptions. In our last league, David Padgett went 13, and he turned into a good center. Shannon Brown went 11 and he was a virtually superstar at pg. Sean Dockery at 28 was a good pick.
Title: Warriors trade block Post by: GoldenStateGM on March 15, 2005, 01:46:00 PM Quote from: HornetsGM The bottom line on potential is that it's rare for a guy to improve vast amounts even if he has A potential. I've never seen an across the board C player develop into a star. In training camp, even a guy with great potential will only improve in 2-3 (possibly 4) areas, and most of the time the difference is only a plus/minus fraction of a grade. For the most part, starters are only found in the lotto, although sometimes in a decent draft a pg or even a sg/sf will slip through to the later part of the draft. 2-3 is pretty good... depending upon if that player mainatins that A potential level another year or two... If I get 2-3 improvements in Biedrins, I will be jumping up and down with joy.. lol It is pretty similar to the NBA draft then... PG-SF occasionally slip into the later rounds, but centers almost never do... Title: Warriors trade block Post by: HawksGM on March 15, 2005, 01:57:01 PM This draft is a very talented draft that will probably end up being unpredictable after the 1st 2 picks....i think most people know who will go 1 and 2 but maybe that's just me
Title: Warriors trade block Post by: LakersGM-old on March 15, 2005, 02:01:06 PM ugggh dont tell them this, I was hoping theyd fall because of theyre potential lol.
Title: Warriors trade block Post by: GoldenStateGM on March 15, 2005, 02:13:16 PM Quote from: HawksGM This draft is a very talented draft that will probably end up being unpredictable after the 1st 2 picks....i think most people know who will go 1 and 2 but maybe that's just me Actually, I think it is pretty predictable up to at least pick 5... depending upon the draft order... Title: Warriors trade block Post by: NetsGM on March 15, 2005, 02:20:44 PM After the first pick I think it greatly depends on the draft order.
Title: Warriors trade block Post by: GoldenStateGM on March 15, 2005, 02:24:13 PM Quote from: NetsGM After the first pick I think it greatly depends on the draft order. Especially if you happen to have two great post players already... :wink: Title: Warriors trade block Post by: CavsGM on March 15, 2005, 07:22:35 PM Quote from: GoldenStateGM I am very curious to see how everyone drafts... Will a player like Oscar Ferry be a lottery pick, or will he drop? It is tough to project, especially when you do not know the tendencies of the players of the elague. This first draft should be a good learning experience... Will Ferry be a lotto pick? I can't name five players I'd pick over him, let alone 13. I'm sure he will be chosen somewhere in the top five. Title: Warriors trade block Post by: HawksGM on March 15, 2005, 08:15:50 PM Ferry will be a lotto pick imo...if i had a pick anywhere from 4- the end if Petit or Housbreg aren't there
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