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Hawks Trade:
Emeka Okafor

Mavs Trade:
Baron Davis
Nolan Keogan
Bucks 2017 1st
Mavs 2017 1st

I agree, more to come later

Mavs agree.

LeBron and Harris not going to get any younger and I cannot pass up a chance at Okafor to get me over the top.

I'm thrilled to get the Bucks pick, and a good defensive big man in Keogan...the Mavs pick will be a player that I hope to improve over time

I really want to send both these guys out west, which I accomplished, so I'm very pleased with that, trading them to the east would have been a very bad idea on my part

you HAVE a good defensive big man who provides ZERO offense already in Holton. Now you got two.
the Mavs pick will be around #22 which is worthless.

so that trades is Emeka for a top5 pick.
 :? :? :? :?

and that beat my offers ???

He wanted to send both Wade and Okafor to West.

and that's a reason to trade Emeka for 10c on the dollar ?
please ...

Tobey/Emeka/Munson
LeBron/Palacio/Harris/Bass

great job. unbelievable rip when you add those 3 consecutive trades.

that is exactly the dynasty that Bods wanted to prevent trading Pettit/Emeka to lower teams.

Come on, I never went pass the second round of playoffs and you're talking about dynasty?

WOW. What a rip off by the Mavs. Haha..i can't belive Emeka went so cheap.

Mavs are definitely a team to beat in the West now, maybe even in the whole league.

Why are the Hawks getting ripped for this trade?

He was a fringe, unlikely playoff contender.  Okafor is a free agent at the end of the season and is getting old.  Clearly the Hawks aren't going to win it within the window of Okafor's remaining years and he would have had to kill his cap to do so.  Or he can even make a run at Okafor in the offseason.

And before we talk about trading for bigs with no offense, it should be noted Okafor hasn't shot as well as 44% in 3 seasons.  He's hardly a worldbeater on offense.

^ It should also be noted that he keeps Okafor out of the East, likely for the rest of his career.  As if the East isn't good enough. 

And like Mavs said, let's hold off the dynasty talk until he wins something.  He's had a really good team every year.

..but those damn Kings 8)


btw Bucks check your pm.

great job mavs..

traded melo for bailey and emeka. and now the only problem will be TO for the Mavs. In every other cat the team is now a top 5 team.

and what guy in this year is worth emeka in this draft?
but getting 4 first rounders is a good start for rebuilding part 12  :lol2:
@celtics i don´t know your offer but since i know your team i am sure it wouldn´t help the hawks rebuilding plans either.

What?! Are you sayin you wouldn't start building your franchise with the guys like Carlos Tower or Sly Williams?! :lol:

sorry i apologize.
you are right how could miss someone like tower  :hail:

Celtics: No talk about your offers/discussions.

Personally, I don't like the trade at all.  The hawks have been fighting for years to get close to the playoffs.  They get within a game, and they give up.

...

Now they're hinging their bets on cap space and draft picks.  Again.  This is very reminiscient of Ivan Strong.  Let's hope they hit gold with their draft pick, because cap space is worthless if you're not winning.

And this talk about Emeka getting old?  Bah.  Bigs in this league have shown they can be very effective into their mid to late 40's.  Yao's 34 and putting up 31/15.  Tyson Chandler's 32 and having his best season.  Jermaine O'neal's 36 and putting up 22/10.  He put up 25/12 at 35.  Kevin Garnett is practically a senior citizen at 38 and i putting up 18.5 and 12.6.  TD was always effective. All of them kept their top-flight defense. 

At 32 Emeka was putting up #'s higher than his career averages across the board.  14.4 rpg and 4.2 bpg.  I think he should probably begin declining before you proclaim him to be on the downside.

And his offense...yeah, he might have only shot 44% or higher 3 years.  But his career % is 43.8%, and he's consistently in that 43% range.  20 ppg on 43% is a very good 3rd option with the other assets he provides.

This obsession with cap space could really cost the Hawks IMO.

I also don't thinkt the Mavs are a dynasty.  They have to win something first ;)

Emeka is a superstar. No contest. And he will be for a couple more years until he retires.
No player in the draft, no top pick, not this or in any season will come close.

The Hawks just guaranteed themselves a lottery life for the next 3 seasons since all they have now are some unproven guys (who couldn't get it done WITH Wade and Emeka) and picks that will take years to develop.

But hey, I will join them shortly ...
 :(

 :lol2: i would love to have such a statement in djsl but here the story is a little different.

I guess the main reason why the old guys are still producing at such a superstar level is because we never had a drafts to replace them. so still after all the years and so minor rating declines they are still superior to almost every rookies drafted.

Hawks did a poor job at surrounding Emeka and Wade with proper supporting cast. They had the pieces, some future picks to do so IMO.

ahem, i didn't even write a single word about what offer/players we had discussed before.
 :hail:

And if the Mavs don't manage a few titles with THIS teams then nobody can help them anymore ...
;-)

ahem, writing "I offered better" is disallowed in completed trade threads.  Always has been.  Unless you have now become commish of this league too?

still think the hornets are the team to beat.
but if you are so sure about the mavs you should rebuild and  trade me dirk, sampson and marion for expirings  :tup:

then i appologize for having been misunderstood.

of course this is a rhetorical question since my offer hardly can have been better than the Mavs offer or the current trade would not have been made. I thought that's so obvious it didn't need to be proclaimed explicitly ...
 :tup:

no.


sure, but the only expiring big enough that i see is O'Neal. We can talk about that.

Sure.  And if you believe that then there has never been a bad trade in sports.

... and not to forget in Santa.
 :cheers:

also, given the hard cap being moved way down, it's going to be very hard for the Mavs to keep the core intact.  Palacio and Emeka are both free agents and he's already at about 50-55 million in team salaries without them.

A new GM. :tup:

I get first crack at the new Mavs, it should be interesting...

I just looked at the schedule, we play 15 games in 15 nights. :eek3:

I understand all your complaints and everything, this doesn't look like high value for Emeka and I might have got into the playoffs but I simply don't have the depth and no first rounder this year..the only way for me to improve my team was to trade the depth I have for better depth while giving away picks...and the playoffs weren't my goal...i wanted a championship and it simply wasn't happening with this group.  Plus with Holton being out the rest of the season I had zero chance of even competing for a title

so because you had no chance to win a title this year you decided to take a bad offer. instead of waiting another season and try to improve your chances in the offseason.