SSBA

Kings trade

#21 pick inthe draft (via Memphis)


Celtics trade

nothing or expiring

I took a short look at the rest of the players and i just don't see anything left. I don't need that sallarie.


*Note; If the Celtics doesn't show up before the draft any team can have this pick for free. Just post it and i agree.

I'll take it if the celtics doesnt want it  :D

dammit, i offered you next years pick, now you're giving it for free

Wow, if you are offered an obviously better deal, this smacks of collusion...

Probably is collusion.  Probably is that 'future considerations' they talked about in one of those deals and I told them both is not allowed.  But you know what?  I don't care.  The remaining draftees stink.  Is Roy Hamilton going to shift the balance?  Nah, probably not.

Celtics accept that pick for nothing deal.

Since the FA is all you have to field a team next seaosn I won't burden you free cap space with a (for you) useless expiring like Roof or Hickcox. Any $ can help you more and those guys can be easily signed from the waivers too.

@Blazers: He felt a late first next year (hey, you were in the SSBA finals least you forget) wouldn't be the answer, as it gets you an even worse player than this season at a 4yr contract. And the trade value of late first, we all know about ...

@Warriors: ... that's why it's not a "better" deal.

@Derek: No, the "future considerations" we talked about in the Bibby deal was that I pay the full amount for the Del Negro contract reduction, which I would have done immediately had i known that i could spend reg season money I didn't have already (like the Spurs did). So that $100 is was short then will be paid by me, that's only fair (and as I know now could have been done right away)

such trades shouldn´t be allowed here imo
even if some think the draft isn´t deep enough a first like that can always produce something.
at least get some money for your first. i am sure someone(heat, blazers) would have paid 50 for this pick.
and celtics i am still waiting for the future considerations on the dirk deal.
if there are none that would be now the 3rd trade in a row where ivan get practical nothing for his players. I know Ivan isn´t that bad  :lol2:

that is like saying yea i know it isn´t allowed but who cares other did it also.
we all know that future consideration aren´t allowed so if you don´t have the money you can´t make a deal. Only exeption imo should be you can add the DC money up to the date of your trade. SInce this is a money you know for sure you will get.

which a) it was at that time and b) i knew i would get it

but it wasn't stated in the rules that you can spend it before it's actually assigned, thus having a negative balance (only the Spurs found it in some earlier bods post)

i would call that a good GM  :tup:

there is a difference between finding out something is allowed and making future commitments because you thought it won´t be possible.

He checked the available draftees and didn't like anyone. And didn't want to take a bad future pick. Sure he could have orchestrated a pick for money deal, and i'm sure if he had a few days he would. But the draft is in a few hours and knowing him he won't be online much before then.

deal #1: Dirk for Shard. Dirk averaged a career low 18/6/3, no D and is 36 now. Shard averaged 16/7/3 and better defense and is 34 now. Plus Shard expires and Dirk makes another 100mio. Even without that "future" stuff this isn't the worst deal i've seen.

deal #2: Bibby/James for DelNegro/Julius Smith. So i've gotten the better in this deal with Bibby? Have you checked this shadow of his former self lately? Smith is the best player in this deal next season, you'll see.

and #3 we discussed enough.

i would pay money for that pick  :D last season i got ladon at 24th pick in the 2nd round and got 2.5bpg off him...im sure with a little luck you could find something  :D

dirk for shard is one of the top 3 worst trades ever imo  :bash:
where is the sense to resign him, there was no need to resign him (to 100mill) and just get an aging guy who is not even half the guy dirk is.
again at least money and picks should have been in. you couldn´t offer him that still he took the offer .... strange..and you call that a good trade... even more strange  :bods:
2nd trade yes you got the better in this deal. you avoided hardcap violation and second i am pretty sure ivan doesn´t resign smith. so again where is the sense for ivan? we all know he isn´t interested in a PG like smith (no real name  :lmao:)
and 3rd trade is possible the best part
you can´t convince me that there is no better option than just give a pick away for free. forget about the more days reason he started it already 2 days ago and had already 3 guys who would take the pick ( even for money i guess).

maybe my english isn't good enough, you didn't understand

deal 1: I NO SAID GOOD DEAL BUT I SAID NOT WORST DEAL EITHER
First get the facts straight, money WAS involved, i paid $450. Plus talks started AFTER Dirk was resigned for 120mio and had to be dealt within 24hrs. He didn't spark too much interest (as I later had to find out myself around the deadline), and one other offer came after we had posted the deal.

deal 2: Complete bullshit you are talking here. That I moved below the hard cap has NOTHING to do with the value of the deal. (only a strange mind can come up with stuff like "if the other one's desperate you always have to ask for more" as a basic negotiation principle). And that he doesn't resign the best player in the deal doesn't make the deal worse. Please, you are getting ridiculous recently ...

deal 3: count me as one of those 3 negotiating for some days, and one more backed off a $$$ deal after seeing who was left on the board after #20 (or rather who wasn't)

 :bash: :bash: :bash:

Unbelivable, i can't even fart anymore and not cause a stir.


Um...what's the diference between #21 this year and your pick next year? I asked for one in 2019 (which is pretty strong draft) but you refused as you were talking about your rebuidling or something like that. Further, you were in the Finals this year + next year is one of the weakest draft in NBA history (i see only Kevin Mchale) so that pick would be even more worthless then the Grizz's one.


No i wasn't. Read above.


Off course it's not. What do i gain?


I even forget about that. I don't count on that anymore.


Pure garbage. I can sign 10 better players in FA for that money.


1) Complete nonsense.
2) What exactly have i achieved with Dirk? Besides losing in the first round against the lower seed and losing my pick in 2017 (which is probably going to be lotto). So, name me one reason why should have i kept Dirk?
3) Thread was there. I shoped Mcgardy and Dirk for a month and i barely managed to get a lousy Grizz's pick for Mcgardy. That's how generous the rest of you have been. At the end i was lucky just to get a expirings in return for them.


I made a thread about this pick several weeks ago and you know how much offers i got for him? One. That's right, one. I remember someone offered some money for it but i can't even remember who it was. So, i took a look last night, saw nothing that interests me and at the end just wanted to get rid of that sallarie. Knowing that Celtics is interested i just made a thread (cause it was too late here to find the next suitor or someone that is interested. I was sleepy and just wanted to go to sleep). That's why i even stated if the Celtics doesn't show up anyone can have that pick.

again i can´t follow your logic

if i have no one who would take dirk so why resign him to such a contract? You are always posting he had no other choice than to make such trades. And as i remember in your trade there were future considerations posted as well. i still wonder what kind? here is the link to this if you don´t remember
http://forums.ssbabasketball.com/index.php?topic=4883.0

again i never talked about the value in the 2nd trade. I asked just what ivan was thinking. Last time i checked we all try to get the best out of a deal. One of your reasons was definite to get under the hard cap. you also paid ivan money so he would take del negro. i can understand your point but ivan had no reason to do the trade imo.

deal 3: so one backed off. making it automatic a pick free trade?

how do we know 2019 is a strong draft already?

Pacers; I don't know are you talking to me or to the Celtics?

How do you know that it will be bad draft. and blazers are 1 injury away from lotto. sometimes it is good to take a gamble. Look at the magic pick this year. It would also give you options in other trade. Definite a better deal than trading for nothing imo.

So maybe you can tell us now what it was.

so why did you resign him? If he is so bad that you just could get expirings for him.

we all know that no one would offer much before draft day. And even if celtics was the only one available why not ask for something in return. As i know TOM he is always looking to give something back that you could need.

1. Los Angeles: James Worthy
2. San Diego: Dominique Wilkins
3. Utah: Terry Cummings
4. Dallas: Ricky Pierece
5. Kansas City: Paul Pressey
6. New York: Mark Eaton
7. Chicago: Fat Lever
8. Indiana: Clark Kellogg
9. Detroit: Derek Smith
10. Atlanta: Sleepy Floyd
11. Portland: John Bagley
12. Cleveland: Quintin Dailey
13. New Jersey: LaSalle Thompson



Dominique would look real nice next to Magic :)

that is nonsense no one knows what kind of ratings dominique will have in this draft. I don´t know how bods is making his ratings but a warning example should be the djsl ratings this year.
Guess you would never expect that one of the best PFs ever Karl Malone is a B- D offensive guy.

Kings could get $450 for Dirk, which is a whole lot better than nothing - when not resigning him.

And you can't get over that future consideration thing, right? Hey, maybe it's a Pizza in some nice italian restaurant in Wienna, maybe it's the draft rights to little Paul in 2024, so who knows ...
 :lmao:

ok guess since dirk is no even older i can get dirk for $200. should be pretty fair if i add some whine to your pizza  :lmao:

To tell you the truth, i don't even remember anymore. I belive it was a first round pick but seeing that the Celtics won't be a lotto team for a long time i honestly don't care.


You have to understand that after i had no offers whatsoever for that pick so i was even planning to draft someone. Than i took a look last night and i saw nothing that interests me. In a meanwhile, Blazers was nowhere to be found (i wasn't much online yesterday i was pretty tired) so i had no plan on waiting for him to show up. So i just made a thread knowing that Celtics is here somewhere. But, i still belive that the Blazers pick next year is going to be worthless + as i said, i only like Mchale and i really don't see how could i end up with him.


Because at the time of the resignings i still belived i could something valuable in return for him. Off course, once the off season started, all i got was miserable offers. And i really had nothing to lose with his resignings, i knew i can at least trade him for expirings, so why would i let him go without resigning before even tryin to get something in return?

If you two were not so buddy-buddy, there would be no issue.
Other people offered (or would offer, if any effort was made to trade the pick) DSJL dollars, and future picks, and yet the pick was still sent for absolutely nothing.

So, both of you, look at from anyone else's perspective (besides your own self serving perspectives, that is), and tell us again how this is not utter bullshit.

Of course, it could just be bad GM'ing...   I guess that is the most liekly scenario...

so...how do we know these are the players he is adding? is it listed somewhere? sorry, still somewhat new to this league

of course it does never look good getting something for free and of course all the rest of the GMs can suspect the Kings had 25 better offers on the table, but if he says he hadn't i can only believe him like the rest of you.

But the buddy thing is sure annoying, although it's his right to do what he likes best.

On the other hand, I rather have some "buddies" among GMs than certain teams I wouldn't trade with anymore because I consider them the opposite of "buddy", whatever that is.

(caution: rant. Like if a team with cap space - i won't name it - that wouldn't take an expiring contract from me at the deadline for NOTHING - just to help me get below the hard cap and without ANY negative effect for them. They might have been infected with that "Pacers desperation virus" but I'm sure not interested in dealing with them anymore. rant over)

I wonder if anyone understands that i don't give a shit about cash. If you don't belive me just check in DJSL. I haven't claimed a single penny for the last 2 seasons. You can ask Tom about that.

We don't. I'm living in my own world. I just have to belive in that. :) (i'm not kidding).

Oh Christ! That's it. I completely forgot about that. That was the entire story behind our trade. Yeah, you asked me to help you get under the cap, that's it. And i did that and it had no negatives for me of any kind. Bods can easily check my pm's to see what we're talking about.

well you could have use my 2018 for a trade or something (give it up for free).

Yeah, people are sooo interested in late firsts here. I could get tons for it. :roll:

Ok, here's the chat transcript from our "questionable" Del Negro deal;












Anything wrong in that?

As a matter of fact this is not the first time i did this. Several seasons ago i traded my late first for nothing as well.

lol finally we get to know what future consideration means.

Pretty much nothing.

Just wondering, but why do we even have rules???

1) Rules for what?
2) What rule did i break?

Future considerations...  It is not allowed...  How can you say you don't remember bads saying he don't want to deal with that shit???

First, after the trade Bods told me not to do it anymore. I didn't know we aren't supposed to do that and i say ok, no problem.

Second, future consideration stayed only on paper, as i said i don't expect nor do i need anything from the Celtics and i made it clear that he doesn't own me anything. So, to me, it's a end of story.

I could careless about this trade, doesn't matter to me...  It's kinda stupid, but it doesn't matter and could be considered collusion(wish I could find someone to take my 2016 Hornets 1st)...  You would never see an NBA team give away a 1st, and I think Bods was trying to keep this league as realisitic as possible(besides the fantasy players)...  But if you were smart you would have kept the whole "future considerations" on the DL...  I have seen him make quite a few posts discouraging it...  Either way, I'm just tossing my 2 cents out...

Interesting...  Then again, the question would be, what did you offer in order to get their "help"?
Heck, about 4-5 seasons ago, I think I gave up a first (or was planning to) in order to get someone to use their available cap space in order to eliminate a trade restriction.  And that person was only getting back an expiring...

Nothing. That's why the friends are for, no?

As a matter of fact i would have probably done that to anyone else. Why not help if it's not going to affect you in any way?

okay ivan please help me out. i need some of your capspace  :P

Sorry, but that would hurt my cap, so that would be a no. I would say the same to the Celtics.

ahem, it was NOT the Kings i was referring to. They had no free cap space so i had to take back a contract and it was a master stroke to get that deal done WITHOUT a trade exception. Still marvel at how great i am.

No, some other team i wanted to give Julius Smith for nothing. just to reduce my salaries by 3.75 mio and get below the hard cap, that's all. And they refused, let their free cap space "expire" at seasons end. And that's something I would NEVER do to nobody here, thats why i'm so annoyed.

... at those contractual stuff, nothing more. Sorry if i sounded aloof or so ...
 :lol:

i disagree. every gm should have the right to say i am not interested in such kind of a deal.
from your point of view it made sense to do the trade but the other gm possible thought i gain nothing i need so why should i do it.
this is normal buisness.

Hey Z, if you want some help in DJSL I'll take Okafor off your hands to get you under the hard cap...  I got cap-space and I'm sure no else in the league would have a rpoblem with it...  I'll toss in the 2013 T-wolves 2nd as well so it doesn't look fishy...  :)

I agree. It was a very complicated trade financialy wise.

Also, part of the problem lies in a fact that i haven't met with you Vienna. Tom wouldn't have talked to me for days so i saw he was mad at me so i said, what the heck, i'll do the deal for the redemption sake. :)

If you're gonna add "future consideration" i might be interested. :lol:

Tom & I had several discussions to help him get under the cap.  The sticking point in all of was Roof?????  Now in this thread he basically offers to throw him in for nothing.  Also Tom has stated several times how he has "helped" the Kings with trades and planning.

The deals between these two teams over the past season smack of serious self dealing.  It is one thing to be friendly and to even visit in person with each other occasionally.  However the amount of "help" that is reflected in this past series of deals seems excessive.

My two cents...devalued to about 1 1/4 cents.

Ok, you would also owe a 1st round draft pick for every year Okafor doesn't take me to the play-offs and that include the years after he is retired...  Want me to post???

It's such harmless things that it's not even funny. It was in the past when i was doing really complicated 3 way trades (Marbury's one, Duncan - Hoffa etc) and he helped me out with numerous implications such as 24h and 60 day rule, matchin the huge sallaries between 3 teams etc etc.

What a joke.

and about the "future considerations".

From a commissioners standpoint I don't want to have to do anything with those. If people agree to those i don't care, the trade has to work NOW, thats all i care. So nobody should ever come to me and complain that somebody didn't fulfil his "considerations" as agreed to. I couldn't care less, if you deal with people based on trust that's your business, not the league's.

I've also seen so many bad trades in my "career" that made me think twice if it wouldn't be a good idea to block a trade, but hey, these are all GMs trying to accomplish some goal, either this way or another, so it's not really my responsibility to think for everyone. Only if someone does something that would jeopardize the league in it's existance I would step in.

(but as we see it's hard to draw a line. Is the wholesale of a team a step to hurt the league, to give some other team a huge advantage, or just a quick "reset" to rebuild through free agency. That's why i always ask for a plan in such a case and give the benefit of the doubt more often ...)

Oh, and i would really want anyone to show me a single proof where Celtics helped my team, one way or another- I got NOTHING from him in all of our trades (2 of them actually, Celtics is probably the guy i had the least deals in this league)! I just got rid of sallaries, that's all!

Roof, Roof, Roof. I'm about the only one that values Roof. I traded him and got him back for nothing from the Sonics. Nobody gives a shit about Roof with this ratings.

But since my frontline consisted of Sampson, Strait and Magloire, plus ancient Doleac, i needed at least SOMEONE to play backup up front, let alone step in for an injured guy. Thats why i tried to hold onto Roof (who i believe is destined for greatness, i confess). I would not have gotten a big man from you in return, just a SF and SG, it would have cost $100 more with the trade exception, plus I would have had to take back a longer salary. Thats why I tried for any other solution first, doug.

In this deal here I used Roof as an example because he is one of 2 expirings i have. But knowing the Kings an their plans Roof (or hickcox) has ZERO value, would take valuable cap space, and is not necessary in the deal since only a pick moves.


And that "friendship" part get's stressed a little bit too much here. We're from neighbor countries, and share some basic principles of how the world should look like so it's a better place for everyone, but that's it. I'm almost as much friend with many GMs here (Spurs, Suns, Pacers, former Nuggets, Blazers, Derek come to mind immediately) and had more or less meaningful discussions with most of them. But I never got accused of using that "friendship" to my advantage. Cause i never would.


And the last I want anyone to believe is that Dirk became a Celtic on "friendship" alone. I tried to trade for Dirk (or TMac, even Marion) for many years, and made about 30 offers for any of these three, all declined. And saw all these guys go past their prime and become less valueable, as were their respective teams. In the end I got my stars and they led me to a 5th seed and 1st round exit and are 36 now. So I have gotten Dirk for less that I initially offered for a "star" 3 seasons ago, but i also didn't get the Dirk from 3 seasons ago.

 :?

http://forums.ssbabasketball.com/index.php?topic=4362.0
- $ for DC's will be added at the end of the regular season.  If you need to use $ you've already earned, make a thread in the Team Banks forum to request it, and you can use it.  To check how much $ you have gotten from DC's, just check the Check-In Page and multiply the $ of check-in's you've made by $10.

This is pure craziness.  Derek, can we lock this topic please?

And that dirk deal does stink.  He signed Dirk, only to trade him for a player and $450, the $450 only to make the player expiring.  What was the point of signing him again?

There's no doubt in my mind that those two will make trades between them that they wouldn't necessarily make with other people.  They call it "being friends", but I don't think being friends in that regard is good for the league. 

Imagine if we each had a 'buddy'.  If I decided, 'eh, I don't want to compete, I'l just give Keith Okafor, Pettit, and Sammy for expirings'.  Leave Keith with Mo Cheeks, Gatling, Pettit, Okafor, Dalembert.  Would that be good?  Hey, I'm just helping out a friend, what's wrong with that?

Yes, It's great to be cordial.  But when making trades, you should hold all teams to the same standard, doing what's best for YOURSELF.  Yes, you may not be re-signing dirk, and may be looking for a sign and trade.  Maybe there were no better offers for Dirk in a sign and trade, I don't know.  But if Dirk was signed and traded just because he was going to walk and Kings wanted Celtics to have him, that is collusion, and that is not good for the league.  I have absolutely no idea if that happened, but that's an example where 'friendship' is not good.  Maybe Kings didn't want to add the salary of the pick, either this year or in future years getting a pick back.  But if he didn't, and this pick was traded for other reasons, that's not good.

Unbelivable. Please feel free to check my inbox.




It's kinda terrible analogy cause obvious, all i've done was trading washed up 35 years, former superstar who couldn't have helped his team in passing the lower seed in the first rn of the playoffs. Okafor and Petit are in their primes so that's uncomparable.

 
Off course there was no offers. I didn't know which one is more shittier.

 

After i seen what crappy offers i had for Dirk i traded him to the Celtics. Why? Because he was harrasing me about Mcgrady from the momment i met him. I had something like 50 + offers from Tom about Mcgrady (that's actually how we become friends cause after some period i was making joke out of his offers and about him in general). Also, do you remember how he was pissed 2 seasons ago when i stole Dirk right in front of his nose. He thought he got a deal with the Warriors and the next thing he found out that i have him. He was furious (it's that thread where he was complaining how i put a pressure on Spurs and WarriorsGM so that the whole deal should be canceled). So, after years and years of wanting Mcgrady and the fact that i stole a Dirk from him i said what the hell? Let him have it, i don't have any better offers for him so be it. And that's all there is. Had i traded Dirk to someone else for just a expirings i knew he wouldn't talk to me for the rest of my life :)).



Off course. I mean why is this such a big deal all of a sudden. I did this in the past as well! I don't need that sallarie!


Also, if i dealt Dirk to the Celtics just cause of friendship can anyone explain to me why did i trade Mcgrady for basically nothing to the Pistons as well?!

woha, it's getting tough.

This calls for the team of CSI PHILLY and special agent Kered (name changed to protect the innocent), to fully discover the truth.

please check especially:
- at what EXACT time did negotiations for Dirk start between the cheaters
- did the Kings REALLY have no better offer at the time the trade was AGREED on (not posted, which is just an information for the other GMs after all)
- is a 35yr old Dirk making 120mio comparable with Emeka Okafor AND Garrett Pettit ?

the CSI team will have access to all PMs, chat logs and everything necessary to close this topic once and for all and all parties involved will accept any ruling from the league headquarters.
;-)


and then lets stop this ...

Let me just add how's this league  hypocritical when it comes to trades. Anytime you make a thread about your players all you get is some miserable offers, and the momment you trade them all of sudden everyone would have given you the more. It's been going on for some time, same old story every time.

maybe ivan you should start to answer some offers and negotiate more

just an idea.

Um..what? What offers?

few things:
1) Just because something is taken to the extreme doesn't mean it's not a valid analogy.  In fact, it was meant to be taken to an extreme to show what an awful precedent it sets.
2) Whether or not the Kings had better offers at the time has little relevance.  I don't feel like going back to check, and won't.  But what did the Kings gain by making the trade?  Nothing.  They gained an expiring contract that they didn't play, which brings us back to the whole crux of the problem. The trade wasn't made for the Kings.  In fact, he probably would have been better off letting Dirk walk.  He literally got nothing for him.  The Kings didn't benefit from the sign and subsequent trade.  The other 27 teams certainly didn't, as they lost out on the chance to get him in free agency.  Only the Celtics did.  The only discernable reason he was signed and traded was to guarantee he would go to the Celtics with no gain coming back to the Kings.
3) As others have said, of course all initial offers are crap.  That's bargaining.

I'll just repeat for the one last time:

With a right and decent offer ANYONE could have had Dirk. Anyone.

And that's all.

So here are my last words:

ahem Bods, are you sure you know what you are talking about here ?

Dirk was traded for Rashard Lewis, Gary Rivero and $450.

That money - $450 are more than a full season's "salary" btw - was NOT used for reducing some contract (that was the other deal with Del Negro and Julius Smith).

Rashard did start all 50 games for the Kings ... and was probably the main reason they won 10 of their 22 games during the first 5 sims (and did have just the 4th worst record then if i remember correctly)

And Dirk was not signed for ME, i would never have asked for more than a 3yr deal. But that ridiculous salary and the consequent move to "financial untradeability" made it probably easier for me to aquire him, as the low number of offers proved later on.


Let's at least get the facts straight among all the shattered porcelain ...
 :(

 Ok, so the money wasn't used to shorten his contract, but we're arguing semantics.  He himself said he doesn't care about $, so it obviously wasn't a huge consideration he got.  He also said he didn't care about winning.  So in his gain for youth and picks, he got no consideration.

You can't tell me he couldn't have gotten an equal offer from every team in the league.

but I'm not sitting here calling cheaters.  In fact, I specifically said in my first post here that I didn't think it was a big deal.  What I do think is that the Kings are more likely to give a steal to the Celtics that he won't to anyone else, or at least give priority to the celtics.  And that kind of friendship, while not cheating, I don't think is good either.

http://forums.ssbabasketball.com/index.php?topic=4875.0
Kings offered Dirk to everyone on July 17th 4pm

http://forums.ssbabasketball.com/index.php?topic=4883.0
I aquired Dirk almost a full day later, July 18th 3pm very close before the 24hrs had expired, and all I want to make clear that this was by no means a pre-arranged deal where Dirk was signed especially for me. Everyone had the chance to offer for him, hardly anyone did. If he "could have gotten an equal offer from every team in the league", why didn't he ? Maybe because most teams are not interested in a declining former superstar at age 35 on a 120mio contract ? You gotta ask the other teams, not me ...

And honestly, anyone else here would have signed Dirk too in the Kings place, with the hope of getting something for him. Show me one GM that can say "heck, i don't plan to keep him, so lets give everyone else a chance to sign him in FA ...". Thats complete nonsense ...

i can follow your arguments but fact is he traded dirk for less than he asked for.
i can´t pove if there weren´t any offers but i know for sure that i tried to get dirk as well and i still feel my offer was at least good enough to answer me back, which never happened.
Also i can´t prove that this was the best offer (guess it was the last and he was desperated) he got for dirk but i know that ivan always insisted on first and or young players he could use. You know real names. neither did he get from you or any other team. So it is still unclear why he had to trade dirk so quick. The only reason imo is that he feared he would win too much with dirk so he wanted to get rid of him at any price. i guess the bitter feelings of some here are that they offered more for dirk at an early time, maybe during the season or POs but ivan told them that it isn´t enough and then you get him practically at a price that most of us would pay in a heartbeat to get dirk. No i won´t call that cheating but getting an ALLstar for 450 is always leaving questions.
Maybe i should trade JO for $500 to heat or hornets so you know what i mean. i am not too serious on that point so hornets, heat this is not an offer  :D

Pacers, i can't exactly remember your offers (that probably means it wasn't any better) but i have my own reasons why i didn't trade Dirk to you.

At that time the Pacers had exactly ONE expiring: Tanner
http://files.ssbabasketball.com/files/2015/TC/PostTC/rosters/roster13.htm

I wonder how their season would have been when they dealt their only C Houbregs (you didn't have much trust at that time Priddy can play C) for a third SF in Dirk. (oh i hear the protests already Lenard is really a SG)
 :lol2:

Now this supports Derek's claim that you will give preference to the Celtics.  

Also if you were so intent on trading Dirk why did you offer him a 5 year salary?  I understand the amount...it was to insure he didn't pick another team but there was no reason for you to resign all your FAs to long contracts then immediately dump them for trash.  Resigning to get value is a legit argument but that's not the actions that were taken.

and me not trading with the Lakers any more means I give preference to the ... Kings ???
 :lol2:

No, but you sending him a cry for help & basically making the decision for both sides of the deal when no other GM would allow it does show an unhealthy (leaguewise) amount of collusion.

i give up

man you know that i made that "cry for help" to just about any team. Most teams didn't answer, some deals didn't work technically, one team didn't want an expiring contract for nothing and some deals would have cost me a lot more than staying above the cap (like your deal).

Only that one with the Kings did GIVE THE KINGS THE BETTER PLAYERS WITHOUT COSTING THEM ANYTHING (ONCE AGAIN). If that's collusion because I worked out the deal then I confess I had been "collution" with at least 16 teams in the past (where I did the same).

I'M GUILTY !!!

The Kings didn't get better players...they just got different expirings.  And in a deadline deal to where the players wouldn't help them anyway.  YOU are the only one who benefited from the deal.

Also in discussing the deal you posted this

Which had absolutely nothing to do with the deadline deal.  In essence you used the Kings as your private trading partner to avoid losing your draft pick.  Then in return when you "might be mad" at him Kings give you a first rounder for nothing.  That just plain stinks.

This supports my ass and it's just a proof you really don't know what are you talking about.


Um...who could have guaranteed me that the Knicks or any team outhere wouldn't have signed him as well?


THERE.WAS.A.FUCKING.THREAD.ANYONE.COULD.HAVE.OFFERED.FOR.THEM.BUT.NO.ONE.DID.THAT.AT.THE.END.I.HAD.TO.BEG.PISTONSGM.FOR.ONE.LOUSY.PICK.FOR.MCGRADY.

DO.YOU.UNDERSTAND??


Do i look to you like someone who can be used so easily? He didn't use me, that's what i call a friendship. Something the rest of you don't know shit about as it seems. Didn't i tell that i would have done the same to just about anyone else around here?

I'm not sure a lot of people would call 35yr old Bibby (have you SEEN him play here lately ?) and 28yr old "project" James the better players than Del Negro and AllRookie PG Smith. But hey, everybody is entitled to his opinion.

I avoided a hard cap violation, but I also lost the best player in this deal (if you ask me the two best players actually, but nobody but me likes Del Negro), so that deal is 100% fair (once I'm allowed to pay for the full contract reduction).

I'm not going to get on the 'help me from getting under the hard cap' trade.  I know CelticsGM sent many proposals/cries to me.   He made that a sticking point all season.  He just found the one trading partner (Kings) that didn't really care about this season.  That, to me, is more of an indictment on the Kings not caring than collusion.

guess i can´t hide any plans from you... :lmao:
or maybe you aren´t the only 1 who can be creative with deals  :cheers: