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I don't know if this is too late, since the sim hasn't been run yet and I just got done with school for the day.  Sonics GM also said that he was going to be gone for a few hours.  At the same time, Sonics GM told me that Warriors GM would agree to trade Cliff Robinson for Barry, even though I've not been in contact with Warriors GM today myself.

I won't agree to the trade if WarriorsGM doesn't approve of the second part of the deal.

Bucks trade Keith Van Horn to Sonics for Barry/Rasheed Wallace.

Bucks then trade Barry to Warriors for Cliff Robinson

Sorry for the discombobulation, but it's due to conflicting schedules.

this isnt a three way deal its two seperate deals.

Don't want to be a party-pooper, but I think this is past the deadline.  :(

^ Well Bods said in his Submissions post in the Calendar Forum that "If I receive offers after 5PM, I'll still process them, as long as I get them before I run the simulation."  

I imagine that would extend to trade deals done just before the deadline.  If not, so be it, but I couldn't access the site earlier.

Oh ok, I did not know about that. Sorry

^ At the same time, if WarriorsGM doesn't respond to this in time, then it's probably moot anyway.  I think SonicsGM sent a PM to Dabods that he would consent to the deal if I accepted it, because he's out now.

the Warriors GM doesn't have AIM or anything either so I can't even reach him as it is, outside of sending PMs.

I won't be upset regardless of whether the trade goes down or doesn't.  Although Dabods did just say the sim won't occur until midnight EST, so I think there's time for everyone to consent if it's to be.

Sonics Agree....i already sent on to Mr NetsGM...but I agree again.

Barry for Robinson doesn't work cap-wise...  i just looked at it on the trade checker...

Cliff Robinson- $5,280,000

Brent Barry- $4,500,000

Difference: 1.155

The Trade doesn't work :(

All you would have to do is add in Blake Stepp, and it  works financially...
And I would approve that trade if still possible...

Edit...  I have PM'ed Bucks about the salary filler...  just awaiting a response...

Stepp (signed to the LLE) can't be traded.

i'll throw in Santiago as the filler and do the deal, assuming there's still time.

That would make it KVH for Barry/Sheed

and then Barry/Santiago for Clifford

Warriors agree...

And now the Warriors are ready for their playoff run...
I got to use ending contracts for exactly what they are supposed to be used for...
Trading for overpaid players, and sending them with draft picks for talented players...
My team goes 9 deep...  My only shame is that Speedy Claxton is still my starting PG...  Don't tell him I said that   :wink:

You can't add a player to Barry, he can only be traded straight up... However, the Warriors can send back two for Barry.

I believe Chaney/Claxton works.

Here is an interesting question...
As 2 two way trades, Barry cannot be grouped...  but what if the trade is a 3 way trade, shouldn't it work then?
Or, doesn't the imaginary 48 hour rule exist? (the one that allows a player to be traded again within 24-48 hours of being traded, no grouping restrictions)  Never been quite sure if that rule was true or not, actually..

We have never done 3 way trades, so I am not sure of the Commish's poilicy on them. I know that the game itself does not allow for three way trades, so the 60 day rule would have to be manually waived (which is possible.)

I don't see any policy reason why we shouldn't allow trades to go down like they do in real life, but I'm not sure of the technical rules.

It's up to the big guy; he knows the rules and how he wants to run things.

I checked.. the imaginary 48 hours rule is for sign and trades, not for actual trades.... Darn...

We will have to wait for Nets to make a decision on this one....

The reason I'm agreeing to this trade is because Sheed and Van Horn are very similar ratings wise, and with Van Horn's free agent status upcoming I believe that the 9 million Sheed's making is about what Van Horn will make or less on the market, especially given the # of teams with considerable cap space.

Obviously to make up the cap difference I want to take on expiring contracts because if this trade went down I'd have about 11 million in space to spend on free agents.  Claxton's got another year at 3 million on it, so I don't exactly want to bite that bullet if I can avoid it because that would severely impede my likely already small chances at signing a top free agent.

But if the commish won't waive whatever necessary rules to enact the 3 way trade and I have to make it Barry for Claxton/Chaney, so be it.

It's entirely up to the Commish, and I understand if he declines this entire deal.

As two separate deals, it doesn't work.  by just a little margin, but it still doesn't work.

However, as an entire deal, it does.

It's up to the big guy.

Sorry for all of the confusion.

Chaney has already been traded, sadly...

But, to make the deal work, it could be Speedy/Hart/Drejer for Barry, and I will add two 2nd round picks (2006 & 2008) going to the Bucks...

Hart and Drejer were signed off waivers, so they should be tradeable...

That is, if the three way does not work according to the commish.

Of course, I am also willing to give Barry a $100,000 raise, which would solve the problem too... lol

But, as a three way, the salaries do match...

Bucks send
KVH and Santiago - 14.487 mill and 0.55 million = 15.037 million
Bucks receive
Uncle Cliff and Sheed - 9.12 mil and 5.28 mill = 14.40 million

Supersonics send
Wallace and Barry - 9.12mil + 4.5 mil = 14.62 million
Supersonics receive
KVH - 14.5 million

Warriors send
Uncle Cliffy - 5.28 million
Warriors receive
Barry and Santiago - 4.5 mil and 0.55 million = 5.05 million

Everyone gets back the amount of salary they send out within 5%.

And this is a true three way trade.  Just wanted to make it easier to see how it works.

i don't understand how a 3-way could be worked???  In the program there is no possible way to do it...  only way it would work is with separate trades and the 60 rule being waived...  Which in all honesty i don't think its fair to the rest of the GM's that didn't make trades due to the rule...  just my 2 cents...

haha, it's cool how complex this is getting!

Just hoping this works.. The next season, we can work on that 8 team, 26 player trade.. lol

Definitely interesting.  It's good to have some debate, right?

Since it works as a 3 way, and would have worked in the real world, I will allow Santiago to combined with Barry and ignore the 60 day rule.

Had you not pointed it out that the salaries matched up when combined, I wouldn't have allowed it.

In fact, in the NBA it would have worked as submitted the first time.  I can't do that, because the program doesn't have the built in capacity, but I will allow Santiago to be included with Barry as a means of bypassing the restrictions.

No....just no.

Whooo Hoooo!!!!
It's party time!!!!
Welcome to the 1st three way trade of this Sim!!!

Thanks dabods...  We appreciate your patience with this.

Now does this mean that all GM's can do trades with multiple teams???

No, you still need to separate it into multiple 2-team deals like they did.

However, if the trade doesn't work as 2 separate deals (as theirs did), but did work as one 3-team deal (as theirs did), and you prove that to me (as they did), then I will make concessions to allow it to work (as I did by allowing santiago to be combined with barry).

Now that the trade is done, lets analyze this sucker.. lol

As the Warriors GM, I am thrilled to get Barry.  He is a great back-up SG, and a pretty good back-up PG for me (when you compare him to Derek Fisher  :x  )  His great outside shooting will help one of my biggest weaknesses, 3 pt shooting.
The Sonics continued their dismantle, and will have less then 5 million dollars in contracts on the books...  They could possible sign 3 max free agents  :shock:
The Bucks replace KVH with a player who is almost as talented, but costs a bit less.  And they will have enough room to make an offer (max or near max) for a free agent next year as well.  And still make some noise in the playoffs this year.

Win win for all, I would have to say...

WarriorsGM pretty much summed it up for me.

The offensive ratings were nearly the same, with KVH a tick better outside.  Sheed's A- defense is an upgrade and I already have the #2 overall offense.

KVH is a free agent in the offseason and a ton of teams have a ton of space.  I figured since the two players were so similar that Sheed's contract will be either about the same or lower than what KVH gets in free agency.  

So now I've got Redd/Sheed/Iguodala/Joe Smith/Kenny Thomas locked in and I've got about 34 million in salaries next year.  That core should already be competitive and now I can try to add something to it without worrying about my own All Star free agent.

Sonics have 2.7 million locked up in Carlos Delfino and Tayshaun Prince next year.

I have plenty of options, as my team stays very competitive this year with Zydrunas, Karl Malone, KVH, Prince and Payton set as my starting five.

I can do any of the following now: (especially if I maintain my good winning percentage)

Sign three (maybe four) max-type players.

Sign a bunch of good players at 5-7 million per.

Sign a max guy or two, and build through the next few FA periods.

Oh the options.