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Title: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: NetsGM on July 12, 2006, 02:13:39 PM
2015    170    Bulls    Draft C Dave Corzine with pick #11 of round 1.
2015    170    Spurs    Draft SF Mike Mitchell with pick #12 of round 1.
2015    170    Raptors    Draft PG Mike Evans with pick #13 of round 1.
2015    170    Jazz    Draft SG Reggie Theus with pick #14 of round 1.
2015    170    Timberwolves    Draft PG Maurice Cheeks with pick #15 of round 1.
2015    170    Trailblazers    Draft SG Freeman Williams with pick #16 of round 1.
2015    170    Cavs    Draft C Rick Robey with pick #17 of round 1.
2015    170    Mavericks    Draft SF Purvis Short with pick #18 of round 1.
2015    170    Supersonics    Draft C Shane Wedge with pick #19 of round 1.
2015    170    76ers    Draft PG Butch Lee with pick #20 of round 1.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: RaptorsGM on July 12, 2006, 02:16:29 PM
Wow. Really thought Evans/Cheeks/Theus would go 11,12 and 13.

I'm thrilled to get the #1 guy on my list. He's a guy that can already score in bunches, and has decent D and handles...and I checked his potential, which makes me even more excitied.

Of course, unless he wows, he's a backup.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: JazzGM-old on July 12, 2006, 02:53:11 PM
very happy to pull in Theus realizing he's one of the most well-rounded players of this draft with high potential and according to the Raptors should have been picked a spot before me, I struggled on whether to take him or Freeman Williams, but decided on Theus because of his versatility and the fact that i already 2 of the best, if not the best shooters in the league and wanted to find some balance in the talents of my shooting guards.

I think the Cavs may have gotten a steal with Robey cause i don't think Corzine will improve much over being a great backup or a calvin booth role. Obviously this late in the draft, Evans and Cheeks were great pickups for them to drop this far.

I'm glad I got Theus over Cheeks even though his true potential is promising. I still fill a more needed position with versatile, albeit wiry player at 190 lbs, in Theus at 6'6".

so to recap my draft thus far:

I got a Yao stopper in Dial 7'0" 298lbs,
a controversial Josh Howard-type player in Hardy, and a versatile, well-rounded guard in Theus, possibly the best overall SG of the draft (although like with Mitchell and Hardy, I toyed with Freeman Williams).


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: RaptorsGM on July 12, 2006, 03:16:56 PM
The Theus pick is nice. I always, always want a guard that can score inside.

Which is the biggest reason I picked Evans. C+ inside is above average for a PG. If he improves a bunch this offseason, I may have to put either him or Max on the block..... :tup:


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: BlazersGM on July 12, 2006, 03:20:50 PM
dammit, dammit..... i had the 6th pick here and i got the 6th player on my list, Mo Cheeks escaped for #1 damn, but well still i finally got a good SG which was my cancer position for a couple of seasons, now i have him and Clement, it should be a great duo, if he improves defense, ill be very happy as i'll have at least 2 great players at each position, of course if Telf re-signes, if not im screwed.




Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: Str8westcoasta on July 12, 2006, 03:28:28 PM
Reggie Theus is an absolute steal at 14... especially if that potential is at all true

I was hoping to get a pick around there just in case he did fall


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: BlazersGM on July 12, 2006, 03:34:58 PM
i agree, but hopefully my 2nd SG choice will turn out very good as well.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: RaptorsGM on July 12, 2006, 03:35:11 PM
Wish Mitchell had gone before the Spurs picked....just makes them better this year, and I have their first.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: HawksGM on July 12, 2006, 03:47:12 PM
I really wanted Butch Lee and could have traded to get him but I thought he would be gone for sure before the pick I could have got and he slipped to 20!!!  Good draft for the Sixers.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: CelticsGM on July 12, 2006, 04:19:20 PM
I really wanted Butch Lee and could have traded to get him but I thought he would be gone for sure before the pick I could have got and he slipped to 20!!!  Good draft for the Sixers.

BUTCH LEE?

A 6'0" PG without a jump shot and questionable potential, leaves me wondering. The only younger player I found who compares somewhat leads me to the assumption Lee could be a poor man's DeAndre Fabrizio (yes, he's STILL in the league, despite Ivan nearly killing his career). Not the best start ...

Besides, when all they need is big men, big men, big men, why draft another backcourt guy and not go with a project PF/C ?


btw, talking bout Lee, did you know that we did not have a SINGLE PG in the last 8 (EIGHT !!!) drafts who had a better inside than C+. Not one, not even Fabrizio, so Lee is somewhat special ...
:-)


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: MavsGM on July 12, 2006, 05:12:57 PM
Short will bring some scoring off my bench which what my team lack last year.  I was think of going after some project but I changed my mind. 

(http://www.clutchfans.net/images/profiles/Purvis_Short.jpg)


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: MavsGM on July 12, 2006, 05:16:23 PM
I really like the Jazz draft class.  Kyle Dial and Reggie Theus( I think is a steal at 14) will be a good players.  Also cannot believe Cheeks fell to the 15th pick.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: SonicsGM on July 12, 2006, 05:41:24 PM
Shane Wedge fits nicely with this team.  He will be, at the very worst, a solid role player.  With B inside, B- defense and C+ rebounding, this guy should see plenty of minutes right away. 

I am also glad to have found a legit 7-footer for the first time in a while, at least one who can score.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: NetsGM on July 12, 2006, 05:59:43 PM
I'm left a little puzzled by the Raptors selection of Mike Evans over Mo Cheeks.  This just smells of the 'Lorenzon Ellis over Mason Mercer' pick of a few years ago.  Sure, Evans is a good outside shooter with more potential.  But I think sometimes you should look to a guy who has the skillset required to play the position.  If Mo Cheeks potential is true, I don't see how he doesn't end up with an A- handling (which he already has) and an A- defense.  All that it requires to get there is a +2 improvement.  Sure, it's possible Evans increases by 3 in ballhandling and 2 in defense, but you're banking a lot there on potential.

I don't like combo guards even a little. 

Being that he already has a pg, I probably would have gone with Reggie Theus there.

If you need a pg, I think you should draft a pg.  If you need a SG, I don't like trying to convert a pg there.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: CavsGM on July 12, 2006, 06:32:48 PM
The 7 guys on my list went in the first 7, but not in the right order. I got the 5th guy on my list in Robey. A big man with solid defense and offense to start with and some potential, so I can't go wrong.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: MagicGM on July 12, 2006, 07:51:35 PM
damn steal at the 14th. nice jazz.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: RaptorsGM on July 12, 2006, 11:44:20 PM
I'm left a little puzzled by the Raptors selection of Mike Evans over Mo Cheeks.  This just smells of the 'Lorenzon Ellis over Mason Mercer' pick of a few years ago.  Sure, Evans is a good outside shooter with more potential.  But I think sometimes you should look to a guy who has the skillset required to play the position.  If Mo Cheeks potential is true, I don't see how he doesn't end up with an A- handling (which he already has) and an A- defense.  All that it requires to get there is a +2 improvement.  Sure, it's possible Evans increases by 3 in ballhandling and 2 in defense, but you're banking a lot there on potential.

I don't like combo guards even a little. 

Being that he already has a pg, I probably would have gone with Reggie Theus there.

If you need a pg, I think you should draft a pg.  If you need a SG, I don't like trying to convert a pg there.

Well, 2 words, Max Guiterrez.

Whoever I pick is not going to start. If I go with a PG, he backs up max. If I got with a SG, he backs up Chills.

I debated between Evans and Theus for about half a second. Obviously, the handles of Evans are a little lackluster, but they could always improve.

Really feel that Evans is going to be the best player of Theus/Cheeks/Evans.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: HeatGM on July 13, 2006, 09:05:45 AM
wat a steal at the 14th....he could start in some teams....


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: RaptorsGM on July 13, 2006, 10:57:13 AM
Guys, holy shit.

You realize you are all talking about a SG who can't score and can't defend up to standard right now?

B-/C+ offense is gonna net you what? 6ppg? B- defense isn't going to slow anyone down.

B- handling is nice for a SG, but it's not amazing. When you already have a SF with B- handles, a SG with B handles and another SG with B- handles, it's kinda overkill.


And oh, yeah, this is the team that has a ton of trouble SCORING. A B-/C+ SG isn't gonna help that...especially since he plays the same position as your leading scorer!

Jazz, I love the pick, I have no doubts you made the right one. But there is a reason Theus got passed up 13 times. He's not quite the player everyone seems to be making him out to be.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: SpursGM-old on July 13, 2006, 11:17:39 AM
Actually I would say the key is his true potential.  If the A potential is accurate then it is a good pick.  If not then another career backup.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: RaptorsGM on July 13, 2006, 11:43:01 AM
Actually I would say the key is his true potential.  If the A potential is accurate then it is a good pick.  If not then another career backup.

Well, I do know his true potential, as I checked it as well as Evan's.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: JazzGM-old on July 13, 2006, 12:53:07 PM
Guys, holy shit.

You realize you are all talking about a SG who can't score and can't defend up to standard right now?

B-/C+ offense is gonna net you what? 6ppg? B- defense isn't going to slow anyone down.

B- handling is nice for a SG, but it's not amazing. When you already have a SF with B- handles, a SG with B handles and another SG with B- handles, it's kinda overkill.


And oh, yeah, this is the team that has a ton of trouble SCORING. A B-/C+ SG isn't gonna help that...especially since he plays the same position as your leading scorer!

Jazz, I love the pick, I have no doubts you made the right one. But there is a reason Theus got passed up 13 times. He's not quite the player everyone seems to be making him out to be.

I agree that people are overstating him...however, he is the best sg ratings wise...and his talent may have been shadowed by the overwhelming talent ahead of him and the fact that many teams might not have been looking for a SG early,i don't know if anyone checked out his true potential but hey as long as he improves any i'm okay. For awhile I had Freeman Williams ranked before him, but realized that he could just become another Drews or Meyers. At 14th and already having two picks, it was wroth taking a risk that could turn out to be a big steal when I already addressed what i felt were my two needs. Plus at 6'6", although lanky, he could play SF (which is nice in case Hardy is a bust)..and if his handles play out...maybe even PG. Besides Meyers can play point and open up theus for more minutes and I don't plan on keeping Drews past his contract which gives Theus the time he needs to develop above the B-/C+ offense and B- def that you criticized .

As for the leading scorer problem, i'm hoping TC takes care of that a little, but that's something that'll have to improve...if anything i have a pretty rounded team...shooting, rebounding, defense...and i'm hoping although i don't have an A-/A handles guy, that my team will at least share the ball well and shoot high percentages.

Even though i'm "rebuilding" i still had a playoff-capable team this year, and added some very nice pieces to that same team with a lot of nice potential to improve.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: JazzGM-old on July 13, 2006, 01:04:25 PM
i would definately say that Cheeks and Evans were better picks than Theus...but it comes down to the fact that I wasn't drafting for a pg and wasn't going to sit and trade them when I could already get the (potentially) best available SG in the draft. Gresham was a lottery pick PG last year...i gotta trust that his B potential will hold true and trust that shabinger and schenk will stay the same or even improve themselves. I don't like "combo" guards as mentioned earlier, I tried my luck with steve francis and jameer nelson and only succeeded in turning the ball over ridiculous amounts.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: CavsGM on July 14, 2006, 07:44:10 PM
Robey's defense improves to B+ at PF, that's great.


Title: Re: Picks 11-20 of the first round
Post by: JazzGM-old on July 14, 2006, 08:01:13 PM
Robey's defense improves to B+ at PF, that's great.

told you he was a steal :-D