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Richard Jefferson
Magic 1st round pick 2014th

for

Andris Biedrins

my bad. its 2015th pick.

Agreed to RJ and 2015 magic 1st round pick for Andris Biedrins

Reasoning, he was gone this next season regardless, this is an insanely deep draft, mine as well get a 1st instead of nothing.

All I need now is Dorrell, Bassy and Shaun to compose my team with the 1st round high school picks of the 2004 class.

WOW...wat a deal for magic.... if the lakers remebered....i offered keogan for biendrins and picks...its funny how lakers settled for a late first rounder.... :D the draft is deep...but if you'll have 20-29th pick... the best is a mere role player... :lmao:

lol.

want to trade koegan for him now?

Hhaha.. You just can't get over that you were rejected by the LakersGM  :lol2:

Anyway.. I think for the LakersGM's standpoint, he was thinking that Biedrins wouldn't resign for his team next season. Which I don't think isn't likely. Maybe the worst that could happen is Biedrin's asking for a humongous contract and might be ended up being overpaid.

either way you look at it, you've got to love this deal for the magic. They get a certified 20point scorer, given the chance. Let's just see how Biedrins would pan out playing the SF position.

what a poor deal.

RJeff is done, ultimately, so I can't believe Biedrins gets you nothing more than a low first. Keogan would be so much better than any of the unproven guys you'll find down there ...

Heat, you NEVER offered Keogan, I asked for him, and you said you'd wait until TC was done, and then you didn't want to do it, I repeated to you over and over again that Laporte and Siegel were not going, and you kept asking for them. When I said, Biedrins for Keogan take it or leave it, you left it so don't make false statements. I was going to let Biedrins walk regardless so I can be a player in the free agent market. Since the deadline was approaching, i had to make a deal, I couldn't afford to wait.

The point wasn't to get Jefferson in the deal, he's gone after this season, it was to get an expiring to stay in the free agent market, and a pick which is deep. Also even late in THIS draft you can do MUCH better than a roleplayer. With the ratings in this league there are over 20 players that can come in and be very good players from day 1.

yup..initially i told you keogan for biendris but i decline dues to a drop of biendris defense....and..i told you keogan for biendris and seigl ..but the point is..you should have value biendrins more since i initially offer keogan...instead of settling for nothing....it would be even better for you to do keogan for biendris and seigl  instead of settling for a low first rounder...its just so far off... :D

That would be a bad deal, in my opinion, for the Lakers.  The posted deal, albeit not the best he could get, is still better than your 'proposed' deal.

Yeah, terrible deal for the Lakers...from what he asked from me, I thought he would be getting way more than this.

I thought I would to, I had offers on the table not giving me an expiring deal, but I deceided to go in a completely different direction.

Giving up 2 big men for one small, is not a smart idea. Giving up a young big man with a lot of potential, who is 23 years old and a near double double guy WITH a proven 20ppg scorer is not a good idea. Don't flatter yourself by trying to make the village idiot look stupid. It's not worth it. You even went so far as to lie about an offered deal, thus discrediting yourself, so just leave it at that.

No way would I have given up siegel or laporte with biedrins.  No way.  Let u snot forget that Keogan is himself a 25 year old with D potential and C+ defense making a whole lot of money.

damn, deals here are funny.....then i keep wondering myself why i dont accept any lately :P

hahaha... :lmao: ok...your call...your team  :D :tup:

I agree, adding Siegel or Laporte to Andris would be way too much for Keogan. Basically VK and AB are both one-dimensional scorers who will never play D. So a straight-up deal would be just about fair (although I'd value Vince a tad more, too)

But what's completely ignored so far is the fact that Biedrins gives the Magic another big scorer. With Peters, Profit, Brice, Dwight and Jefferson they had fine starters but practically no bench to speak of. Andris can play PF but may be better suited for SF and gives an already potent offensive team even more scoring punch. They really could outscore most teams now and hide their defensive liabilities even more, and they gave up practically nothing, so great addition here ...
 :shock:

laugh all you want heat, you dont make ANY sense.

  :lol2: :lmao: :lol2: :lmao: :lol2: :lmao: :lol2:

thanks for putting into my attention that Andris can play SF :D

please play him at SF, do it against my Celtics. I'd really really appreciate that, especially Schabinger and Rashard ...
 :cheers:

uhhh..

Biedrins' defense is highest at center.

it is a bad deal for the lakers. Keep in mind yes it's a strong draft, but it's a strong draft for everyone...getting a late first rounder doesn't put you in any more advantage than the better teams already are unless you're looking to round out your depth. And now to round out your depth you need an inside guy which you already had in Biedrins who as good as he is...is an ideal backup...very strong with some attribute but not quite rounded enough to be a full time starter IMO. It makes sense to trade him considering that you had Laporte and Siegel, and helped a struggling position with a player who has a good 2 years. At the same time it's horrible because you're already sealed with 2 of the hardest positions, not to mention a great backup. But i guess you can't really make a full judgment on the deal until we see what losing that extra cap gains you in free agency and how much potential the player you grab has to develop. It's just too many "if's" for me though.

please bring more to a discussion than emoticons if you're going to post.

Biedrins was going to walk. I did not intend on resigning him. I was about to get nothing, so I made the deal. Someone would have offered him much more money than i was willing to pay. Yes this draft is strong for everyone. Keep in mind, I will likely have a top 5 pick for my roster, as well as this late one. This draft class IMO is too strong for this league, and I think that will be recognized as we get into the next season.

yeah but the thing is you gave up a good, proven young inside player who's just as good as probably any rookie you'll get even after they fill their potential at least at that point in the draft, yes there's that chance that i'm wrong, but for me, i'd look at the fact that i already had a high pick in the draft and would be content with that and so i would have no need to play that game of chance with a lower pick, especially when i'm giving up that quality of a player. (unless of course you are improving on beidrins in the draft in the first place with the pick/s you had originally)

I understand why you did it and it makes sense for all the reasons you gave, i'm just giving my point as to why i think despite what you said, that it's giving you more chance of being worse than if you would have just stayed where you were. I mean it more for discussion/analysis than criticism, besides, i need to pad my post counts a little  :D.

Could i have found a better deal, that is the only question, and for what I was looking for, noone offered me one. So I took this one. How would staying where i'm at keep me better? This season, probably, but next season, i'd be left with absolutely no compensation. This way, I DO have that compensation.

i am sure someone would have offered more than a late first..
why not ask for profit too, for example? he has a reasonable contract and one of your weak spots is SG.
Sonics offered their firsts pretty cheap and have enough expirings another example imo.

Hmm, maybe I'm wrong here, but I see maybe 6 teams who even have cap space to offer more than MLE to Biedrins (after resignings), and I doubt anyone would have offered Andris anything close to a 10mio deal, so you had a very very big chance to get him back for something like 10mio/1yr
(as stated earlier, he's just not that good, a very fine backup but hardly a starter)

So to improve your team with this deal you would need to get either
- a BETTER player than Biedrins with the #23 pick (+/- 3) ... imporssible if you ask me, despite this deep draft, in fact there's not even ONE PF on the list coming close to Andris
- or a BETTER player with the 8 mio cap space (difference between 10mio to resign him and the rookie's salary) ... just forget it, there isn't anybody you'll get for that money.


So that's the dilemma here: With YOUR pick + Biedrins + still 17mio cap space you'd be MUCH MUCH better off than with YOUR pick + MAGIC pick + 25mio cap space but no Biedrins anymore. Just my believe ...

 :?

I wouldn't really like to comment on this since I might have gotten the winning part of this deal.

But anyway, here it goes. I do understand why the Lakers do this. I don't think that Biedrins was even on his plan with Laporte and co.

Could have have gotten a better deal? Definitely. But we've got to consider that he would have gotten nothing in return in for Biedrins if he ought to wait until or after the draft. Let alone free agency, wherein re-signing Andris could be a hinder to his overhauling this year through free agency. Not to mention that deadline was vastly approaching and that he might not have even received any offer better than this, which I don't know whether he did or did not.

Oh yes, great point.
The last team to completely overhaul their team through FA were the Hawks, and everyone was in awe what a great job they have done signing many of the top available guys.

a 20-43 record later you see how far that does get you.

Don't expect this to change until the real hard cap comes into effect in 2018.

plays at the east and no frontcourt, really. if you look at majority of the top teams in our division they have big man who dominates the paint and are not one dimensional.

the heat is obviously an exception to that ;)