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man. the magic would like to bring back Jack the Goose Givens here. :S

Got three 1st rounders this year. So this draft looks like a big deal for me. This draft might determine how my team will look like in the next five years.

same here

I hereby propose that the 76ers cannot draft Larry Bird.

God, the horror.

mother son of a gun, julius ervin and bird. they also have air jourdain. eerk.

Hey man! Let me reap what I sow.  :) I've been building this team for so many years now.. :D

Anyway, I'm looking for a big guy in the draft to accompany John Tyler. I just dont think that my team has enough strength at the frontcourt position.

BTW, Im looking to trade my 1st rounder (sixers' 1st) this year. Anyone who is interested can talk to me via PM. I can trade my 1st along with my lottery this year Goudin or David Jonas. PLEASE DONT REPLY IN THIS THREAD. THANKS!

wonderful job bods...you managed to keep a good mix of the real and fictional players to please those who like one or the other.  I feel that your ratings are also very accurate, now who to draft with my perrenial top 3 pick

I was against this at first, but I think it breathes new life into the ssba, I predict a ton of activity now, because everybody wants their favorite player.

Fantastic preview...

I see 20 guys I wouldn't mind taking.

1st round picks are gonna have a lot more value from now on, I don't see too many people trading them like crazy, like has been a trend in the past.

So how do potentials work, does a guy like Dr J automatically have great potential since his ratings are a bit low, or is it more random?

This confusion is the exact reason I put this off for so long.
http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/rules.htm#draft_filescreated

Who they were in real life has no bearing on:
1) How good/bad they will be
2) Their potential to improve

It will have bearing on:
1) Their physical attributes (size, weight, position)
2) Their strenghs/weaknesses (being a better scorer than defender, better 3 pt shooter than slasher, rebounder than defender, etc)


Potential is random.  Dr. J could turn out to be Craig Smith.

Just to compare this draft to recent drafts...I have a list of 12 decent or better centers, and the worst one on this list would have easily gone in the top 15 in one of the drafts of the last few years. Not to mention the fact that there are 8753257 times as many players with C+ or better defense then there used to be.

finally a good draft, i wonder whatre Gregory's true abilities, can he come up being good as his daddy or even close hum

Do "same physical attributes" include strength/quickness/jumping?

No.

With that I'm talking height/weight/position.  That's it.

I got my eyes on Tobey,Thompson,Bird

Bods, I understand everything you said in this entire post. But I want to ask this: did you create these players? Or do they come from some computer generated program?

They were hand-created.

Next year I may try putting in their first year stats, in which case the program can automatically generate attributes, but one problem in this is that stats back then were over-inflated based on pace and nowadayas the pace is slower.

I'd recommend looking at a younger player in real life today who is being compared to a player from the past. Kinda hard to explain but for example, say, you have to put in Glen Rice. A player who in today's game who is compared to Glen Rice is Martell Webster. I would then put in Martell Websters rookie statistics which are relatively weak, which would give the sim glen rice time to develop accordingly. Otherwise you'll just have players coming in and dominating right away, rookies from the 70's and 80's seemed to come in and dominate because of their youth and the lack of athleticism around the league.

Does this mean that you have an advantage in the draft since you created them?

Well, only 23 or so people were handcreated, and I don't figure to be drafting during that time.  But yes, I know the true values of the guys.  Well, that is, if I had the memory to remember 16 different attributes for 23 different draftees a month after creating them.

from my experience as commissioner:
I couldn't even remember which 15 guys I modificated before last draft and that happened only 2 weeks before the draft. But of course i never created players, real ones, from the scratch so far (which would make it hard not to know their ratings since you have to invent these first)

No kidding, for me it's really easy NOT to gain an advantage: First I don't really study the draft (or read YOUR previews) until shortly before the draft. Then when I export that draft file to excel and blank out the player names, the ratings i worked on are just numbers and not related to players or attributes anymore. True pot i try not to modify, if it meets certain criteria (standard deviation).

In combination with never really picking high I actually have the same information as anyone. With one big exception: if i look up real pot on request, usually right before the draft, i know that. Thats it. But again, drafting low i don't see this as a big problem.

That's the biggest problem I have.  I honestly can't remember if I gave Larry Bird equal true pot to his displayed pot, more true pot than his displayed, or less.  But the situation you described is where there's an issue.  And I really don't see any way around that.

Man this sucks.

I traded away this years pick after 3 years of horrible drafts and now there are 20 players that would have been worthy of top 5 picks in last years draft! lol

Hopefully my pick won't be worth too much...!

Reminds me of a quote by Yogi Berra..

“The future ain't what it used to be.” - Yogi Berra

Who you think is the best in the draft? I am going to have too think until the last minute between Bird/Tobey , If I get the #1 pick.

all of you will call me crazy but after a long research i found this draft very deep, i came up with the final list of 40 players exactly who're worth drafting, and im happy i have 2 2nd rounders which will give me 2 good or great players/projects for sure.

Why would we call you crazy? This IS a very deep draft, probably the best draft of the SSBA so far. And I have more then 40 guys. From centers alone I have 12 that are worth drafting.

I spent almost 5 hours looking at rosters over and over again. Im really looking to trade my depth for stars and superstars and what I noticed is that I can't get the players I want. Because Its either they are too old, too one dimensional, or too valuable because of their rarity.

If not for this draft, the league is filled with mediocre fictional players who still can't live up to their potentials.

I still think that the league needs talented frontcourt players, which I expect in the next draft classes. Or else were looking at teams who will have their SF play PF, and have a 6'8 to 6'10 centers. Kinda what basketball look like in our country :D

 If you look at this league, there is only a handful of talented frontcourt players who can play defense and rebound. My list so far is Okafor, Mehta, Tyler, Mehta, Dwight, Barner, Timothy Adams, and Maggete. What we have mostly in this league are frontcourt players who are one dimensional its either they are superb scorer w/ no defense and poor rebounding(zach randolph?) or guys who can give you 10 rpg and 1.+ bpg but no scoring (i.e Jaime Ruiz)

Well, if you look at that list, most of them are fictitious (Mehta, Barner, Tyler, Adams, Maggette.

How many in the nba are well-rounded, two-way players?

Um..duncan.  garnett.  Anone else?

Chris Bosh  :lol:


Actually, he's a pretty poor defender, but he's getting there.

I was going to say Yao....and Shaq thru 2003.  But Bods point is valid.  There are most likely more two way big men in this league than in the real NBA.  Which is part of why I disagreed with tweaking the draft.

Shaq was, when he felt like it.  Yao wasn't dominant offensively until the 2nd half of this year.  Bosh might be defensively, but isn't now.

There are probably a handful.

how about amare? only if he stays healty