SSBA

DEAL 1

Kings Send:

Tinsley
Andre Igoudala
Ronal Murray
2017 Kings First Rn Pick

Warriors Send

Dirk Nowitzki
Phillip Rubini

DEAL 2

Kings Send

Turkoglu
Sparks
Posey
Rubini

Spurs Send

Paul Gasol
Michael Pietrus

Trade Breakdown:

Kings trade: Tinsley, Murray, Igoudala, Turkoglu, Sparks, Posey, Rubbini and 2017 first rn pick
Kings Recive: Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Gasol, Michael Pietrus

Warriors trade: Dirk Nowitzki, Philip Rubini
Warriors recive: Andre Igoudala, Jamal Tinsley, Ronal Murray and Kings first rn pick in 2017

Spurs trade: Michael Pietrus, Paul Gasol
Spurs recive: Sparks, Turkoglu, Posey and Rubini.


KINGS AGREE.


Spurs and WarriorsGM feel free to check this chaos one more time, i might have missed something, but i think that's it.

Note* WarrirorsGM: I know you're all for this deal but i never asked your final permmision for posting this. If i'm wrong, feel free to decline.

I agree...  And have a lot of explaining to do with this trade....

What's the problem Spurs?

I was waiting for the first part of the deal to be accepted....and was typing my acceptance as you posted.


Spurs agree.  We get another young big man prospect (Rubini) plus much needed cap flexibility.  Gasol's numbers have been slipping for the past couple of seasons and for his contract the long term outlook was bleak.

Kings - Well, i did it just to stay somehow competitive. Bibby, Mcgrady, Dirk, Gasol, Booth are nice starting five. Off course, no depth whatsoever and age kills every chance to be a serious contender. But at least i'l win some games next season since i don't have my pick.

Warrirors - I like this deal for them. Dirk is old, Hinrich gone. Rebuilding is logical. Iggy is a great all round talent + lotto pick in 2017 is surely nice.

Spurs - Beats me. If he did it for the cap relif, at least he could have asked for expirings and some picks or at least a pick. I think Gasol definitely worths that much.

Overall, i like it off course. I still want to win some games until the real draft time comes. Then we'll do the complete rebuild.

ridiculous.

makes no sense for anyone but Kings.
spurs get older and worse (plus a bad rookie contract)
warriors essentially trade Dirk for Iggy which is a big bullshit. Iggy was FILLER when they traded for Dirk.
kings get a star PF, a still top PF/C, a 3yr younger version of Turkoglu

but nice it got accepted

oh and that pick is in THREE seasons. Unbelievable.


Nobody, really nobody knows what happens till then. TMac and Dirk will 100% be traded if the Kings win it all, giving them enough material to rebuild. In three seasons they can easily be a playoff team again.

Congratulations Ivan, and no, I didn't doubt YOU but I didn't believe anyone would fall for such a ...  :bods:

Nobody's going to be giving up much to help in the Kings rebuilding effort if he wins it this year and is about to turn 35.  There just aren't many people who stay at a high level of play for that long.  Dirk and Pau will both be shells in a couple years.  But you gotta at least get a top 10 pick out of the deal.

I don't think there's a doubt that he either gets pick(s) or expirings or both out of these former stars. He also could just buy them out. Either way, expect him to have enough cap space to make a major jump in FA in 2015 or 2016 when the hard cap finally is active and people will save money.

The 2017 pick is now as worthless as the 2015 pick.

Poor Sonics. Please believe me I had no clue whatsoever that the Kings would find someone for such a deal.
 :bash:

I'm holding out hope for the annual Kings injury woes!

Well, I am glad that certain people think Gasol is sooooo valuable.  If someone would have offered a pick I would have taken one.  Part of the problem was that I was still in negotiations when the Kings posted the deal.  He asked if he could and before I could reply he posted it.  Rather than cause a turmoil I accepted.

Over the next 3 years I cut 10,253,818/11,099,276/20,598,755 of salary.  IMO more than just a little cap relief....especially with the hard cap kicking in.

And as I said before Gasol's numbers have been slipping the past 2 seasons so I'm not sure he can still be considered on of the top PF/C in the league.  That is if he ever was.

I gave up a decling 32 PF that would probably be my #3 big man and a 30 yr backup swingman that was inconsistent at best. In return I get a 24 yr 7 footer that is already an A- defender and can still improve given his age.  Also I get a young swingman with B potential.  Hedo & Posey are expirings...so I gave up a $10 mil expiring to get back almost $17 mil in exprirings.

So I gave up a 32 yr old PF/C + $10 mil in expirings for a 24 yr old PF/C and a young prospect + $17 mil in expirings.

It may not even take that....who is going to grab rebounds for the Kings?

Reggie Evans
Jeff Foster
Drew Gooden
Cunningham
Chris Kaman
Mikan
David West
Alexis Hardaway
Diop
Ivan Litwack
Brad Miller
Loren Woods
Jerome moiso
Steven Hunter
Michael Doleac
Troy Murphy
Nick Collison
Mike dunleavy
Chris Andersen
Curtis Borchardt
Francisco Elson
Jake Tsakalidis

he'll get one or two of those, for MLE, LLE or min. I can't believe how naive anyone here is. Kings are the master of role players, they ALWAYS had just two or three stars and fillers around those. Brings them no title but they'll contend every year.

his starting 5 could be one of the best rebounding teams already since t-mac and dirk are very good reb at SG and Sf

i agree with celtics. well done ivan you are the true master of a quick rebuilding.
if i remember right iggy was traded for finley and something and now he is worth dirk and a young C...
And Gasol might be not the dominating man but he is perfekt in his role as a 3rd scoring option and can still rebound and defend a little bit imo.
Of course ivan you will loose again this time in the finals against my team

Lol, Tom is getting furious...haha. Ok, let me explain...

1) Laugh at people who thinks this is a title material team. People, i HAVE NO SINGLE BACKUP AT ANY POSITION WHATSOEVER!
2) About the pick. No Tom, you're wrong. In a year or two i'll barely get a pick for Tmac or Dirk. Even now, their value is low as can be, what will be in the next year or two? Close to nothing. I'll be happy just to trade them for expirings and pray a luck at FA. Hopefully, with 60+ winning ratio and lots of cap i could be able to do some moves.
3) Yes, you're right about that role players thing, but that was in the past, when Tmac, Bibby and crew were young. Not sure is that going to work anymore.
4) AND WHY DO I HAVE TO ALWAYS BE LATE? I'm the master of tarding for washed up superstars like Camby, Duncan and now Dirk.

and....5) West is now one gigantic laughter. There are like 1 and half team ready to contend.

damn no smileys here to find :-)

i can´t edit my post i was to quick
 :bash:

ivan is back in the POs and will bash his team to win it all
 :lmao:

Celtics....yes, he may sign one or two of those.  But then they have to be on the floor to rebound and he has already said that he will start Booth & Gasol in the front court.

Pacers...TMac and Dirk are good rebounders for their positions but they also always had decent rebounding big men.  Who will box out the big men for the opponents so that Dirk & TMac can get to the ball?

Puh-lease ...

I just realized the Kings exchanged Timmy Duncan, Iggy, Hedo, Posey and Tinsley
with Dirk, Pau and Pietrus.

title ?
playoffs ?

or just no cap space and no picks for 2 more seasons
 :lol2:

Not to mention Forston & Mohammed.  Hence my rebounding query.

they lost danny and timmy
i am sure gasol, dirk and a third big man co do it..
and the scoring will be even better imo than in the td area

Lol, can you imagine this team if Fortson and Duncan haven't retired?!?! :D :(

Bibby
Mcgrady
Dirk
Gasol
Duncan

..oh well...

OFFICIAL PROTEST ... OFFICIAL PROTEST ... OFFICIAL PROTEST ... OFFICIAL PROTEST ...

and furthermore I would like to PROTEST   this trade.

Reason: Neither the Spurs nor the Warriors have agreed to this deal when it was posted.
Both gave in and accepted later, apparently to not stir any controversy.

so while this probably doesn't violate any rule, especially as it was since "legitimized"
I still believe it violates the code of conduct we use here. Posting deals that are not agreed
to apply pressure on GMs to accept is some strange behaviour.
 :?

and this is no joke, for a change, i'm serious ...

1) Lol, Thanks for the compliment.
2) I'll lose in the Finals? Where do i need to sign that?

How you mean back? 8)

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and this is no joke, for a change, i'm serious ...

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You really like to talk do you? Or you're just extremely bitter at your pal for getting Dirk although you think your offer was "better"?

Second, it was actually Spurs (nothing against you just sayin how it was) who said that i need to post our deal "cause we have only like one hour left". He got me panicked, cause i was thinking we're going to be too late on a deal cause of 24h rule. He reminded me. In a meanwhile, Warriros wa nowhere to be found so i just posted our deal and made it clearly he can decline if he changed his mind in a meanwhile. Since we're talking for almost 10 days about this deal, it was obvious he wanted to do the deal. I posted only cause of deadline, not cause of any kind of absurd pressure. And talking about pressure. What are the Spurs and Warrirors? Some kids who never been to sim league before so i could put a pressure on them? Please, be serious. If they didn't want the deals, they would have declined.

Sorry Tom, you won't get Dirk. Blame the commish, he's the one who prevented me from trading all of my players. :)

Here is the link to the message I sent.  Nowhere does it say that I agree.  But as I posted before I am willing to stick with the deal because it was close to being done as it stands.

http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/index.php?action=pm;f=outbox#73298 (http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/index.php?action=pm;f=outbox#73298)

Haha..that's my inbox dude!! Leave my privacy alone!! :D

thats anyones inbox. you can't get into another inbox


and i don'T protest to get the deal voided ... that would be a harsh penalty ... but to get fair trading re-established again where you can count on what's agreed and what's not.

And since bods already accepted a deal that was NOT posted but agreed via PM I wonder what he does with a deal that IS posted but NOT agreed before.
:?:

What the hell are you talking about?! Causing controversy just for the sake of it! BOTH OF THEM ACCEPTED THE DEAL WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM??

Should Bods check our every single PM to see is everything "alright"?! All 3 of them ACCEPTED the deal and what Commish has to do with that??

Lol...  The actual deal was better then the original for me, with Tinsley involved...

Why would the Warriors do this?

Losing Hinrich really, really hurt... But Dirk was goign to be traded anyway.  To be honest, I had the same team for 3 years, and was kinda bored.  With the success of the championsip, it was time to break them up.

Iggy is a very cheap player for his talent level, and can play 3 positions.  That 2017 pick, I think will be a lotto pick...  A high lotto pick, if McGrady and Dirk retire by then, which I think they will.  Rubini was highly overpaid, and has dropped in the last 2 TC's.  Team played better without him, and unloading his salary was good for my squad's future...

1) The trade will stand because both accepted.  Had they said no, I would have investigate it, as I always have been willing to do in the past.
2) There may be repercussions for posting a trade before it was accepted.  This is unacceptable.  You cannot post an unaccepted trade for two reasons:
- You put them on the hotseat forcing them to make a decision now.
- If they decline, you allow everyone else in the league what they are willing to take for said player, and decrease their bargaining power.

It's completely and utterly unfair, and cannot happen.  Decisions will come later, but the trade will stand.

wow... :lmao: dirk is the MVP.... i think this team is even better than last season... dirk =TD and Gasol> iggy because gasol is much better in defending.... im not surprise if they would sneak up and take the title...

wow... ivan...you should have convince TD to play for another year... that's an all-star team for you right there.... wow.... TD, Gasol, Dirk, TMAC and BIBBY....

Imagine Kidd hadn't retired and Earl too, probably even Shaq still playing backup, now can you imagine THAT ?

TD / Shaq
Gasol / Shaq
Dirk / Gasol
TMac / Bibby
Kidd / Earl

average age 38, btw. I'd expect this to be the frist time in FBB history that TC ends with two torn ACLs already ...
:-)

Can you imagine? Actually that was my dream even before TD decided to retire. I knew i had a deal for Dirk and i was just thrilled with the idea of having TMac - Dirk - Duncan connection. That would be sick, even at this stage of their careers. After that Gasol deal occured.

Bibby, Mcgrady, Dirk, Gasol, Duncan. With Fortson and Booth as a backups. Not only that would probably be the best lineup ever in SSBA but the frontcourt rotation of Dirk, Duncan, Gasol, Fortson and Booth would be unseen to date.

Well, some things are just not meant to be. Like me winning a ssba title. :?

What a lame argument. Simply because i never had neither Shaq, Earl or Kidd. Pretty pointless.

The master of all trades would have recognised Bibby is no champ'ship calibre PG anymore and found a way to aquire them, i'm pretty confident.

:-)

You know i could have had Kidd along Tmac and Duncan if i wanted too. I just wasn't willing to add another first rounder on top of my offer. But it was pretty close.

now let me repeat that:
Y-O-U   H-E-L-D   O-N   T-O   A   1-S-T   R-O-U-N-D-E-R   instead of going for a title?

as our friends from Athens,GA sing: It's the end of the world as we know it, it's the end of the world as we know it, ... and I feel fine.
 :shock:

Yeah, it definitely sounds strange but i think i needed that pick to finalize one other deal as well, Camby maybe, can't remember. I traded around 10 first rounders, who would remember all of them? :)

Lol...  Dirk is not the MVP, never has been.  was not even the MVP of the playoffs, Hinrich took that honor.
Looking at the Kings, there were two very good reasons that they have always been good...  McGrady, and being a top 3 rebounding team.  Fortson and Duncan, that gave them a great edge.
The Kings are now a very different team, I am very curious to see how it works out.  Gasol is a bad rebounder, and Dirk is good at SF, but bad at PF... But offensively, they have the best one two punch ever assembled...

Can't wait to see how much jail time the Kings will get, i expect an exemplary punishment.
He'll likely have to manage his team from behind bars for a while ...
 :lol2: :bash: :moon: :cheers:

I really wish Gasol was overvalued this much when I had him on my trading block.

Relax my friend, relax.

I had the pleasure to entertain Gasol too and his inconsistency (more than 4 seasons ago) drove me as crazy as you, apparently. Can't wait for the first DJSL-style rant from the Kings GM ...
:-)

i am sure it was more the contract than the ability of gasol.
gasol is still a solid 3rd maybe 4th option but his contract makes him almost untradeable for equal value.

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The Kings are now a very different team, I am very curious to see how it works out.  Gasol is a bad rebounder, and Dirk is good at SF, but bad at PF... But offensively, they have the best one two punch ever assembled...

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Well, everything depends on the TC. If they stay the same i could have a shot. If not, i'm screwed.

And about that one two punch, Tmac/Hoffa is right there as well.

I don't have high hopes for Gasol. I know what kinda player he is. As a 3rd or even 4th option i think i won't be bother with his inconsistency.



Nah, i'm not that passionate about SSBA anymore. I know my window is closed. I can't be mad at this team, they gave all the got every time on the floor. Hustle, rebounding, scoring, everything. It's those stupid, overpayed kids with tons of potential that irritates me. If they were to play like this old farts here, they would have been a top 3 team already.

Anyway, what's up with FA Day 2? What's the trouble? Program can't handle the amount of MLE offers i entered? :lol:

you realize that 5 offers is the maximum, don't you?

:lol2:
C'mon you know exactly what will happen in TC. These are old vets, and as always you'll see some decline. Most of it won't reflect in the (letter) ratings, some will. So even if you lose like 20 net ratings this could mean exactly the same decline in real ratings as if you lose just 4 net ratings.

Production will be more or less then same, maybe a tad below last season's. Most (visible) change will come from players playing in a different system with different teammates.

I can't imagine a team with less importance of the TC than yours ...
 :o

Since when?  You have very slim chance of signing anyone with only 5 offers.

Another features I love.  "Warning - while you were reading a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post." :tup:

THat has always been the rule for exception offers

5 MLE, 5 LLE, 5 Min, 5 custom(cap space), 5 re-signed

And that rule has been around for a while now, maybe 5 seasons.

http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/index.php?topic=3461.0

WTF?! I didn't know that! I thought once we switched to this new system we can make as many exceptions we want! Actually Celtics tol me that! You bastard!

?

I stopped doing FA offers for you two seasons ago, and that was clearly WAY before this board was activated.
 :shock:

You don't read, apparently...



http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/index.php?topic=4476.msg31949#msg31949

Ah shit, i missed that. It was at the time i was out of the internet access i think. Oh damn, have to cancel all those offers