SSBA

What:
The money system will allow a commish to accumulate (and use) SSBA $ to perform various functions, including finding a players potential, reducing and extending contracts, other various functions.

Why:
This was something I always liked in Celtics league, but I didn't want it based off of the quality of your team or the quality of your players, because it can help the "rich get richer" mentality.  I also didn't want to promote articles, and be in a position of "grading" a GM's contribution in that way.

What I did want is to promote activity and improvement.  An active GM is going to get substantially more $ than an inactive GM.  And team's who improve from the prior season are going to be rewarded.

The purpose of including to reveal true potential is to help mitigate some of the risks of the draft.

Differences between this $ system and DJSL (for those in both leagues):
- There is no being rewarded for articles, player achievements or team achievements (except improvement)
- There is added award money for teams that improve from the prior season
- You CAN find out the true potential of any player in the league, a player in the draft, on your team, in free agency, or on another team.  Teams in the NBA can spend money to scout a draftee, scout a free agent, or scout someone else on another team.

Links:
How to make money (http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4360)
How to spend money (http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4361)

Misc.:
The values may be changed in the next few days, but this is the framework for it.  Also, players trying to get "perfect attendance" for this year's regular season can do so simply by getting the next 6 weeks, I will not penalize for missed sim's before this one.  However, you also won't get the $10 for sim's if you missed.

If a new GM joins up in midseason, he only has to get perfect attendance for the time he's GM.  Think of it as a "newby bonus".  GM's will inherit the bank of the prior GM's.

Discuss.

:shock:

I love the idea.

Damn! I wish we had this when i had a contender.

Geez...so many times i didn't make a move cause of some lousy filler. :?

BTW, full credit goes to CelticsGM, who I almost completely copied it from :)

Not a bad idea. I liked how things were, but this should freshen things up a bit. Maybe I just fear change... :)

I was about to say this sucks and systems like this never work until I read it. I thought it was going tp be about writing dump articles and stuff. I'm glad its set up the way it is. I am looking foward to this.

yuhuuuu

I like it...gives hawks/knicks/etc another chance to move up the ranks and keeps those on the top on their toes.

Good idea. :D

halleluah (spelling?), I have a chance other than trading everyone away for nothing and starting over.  Too late now, but for the future, I love this idea, and it gives some of us with the high lotto picks a chance (Tanner :x )

Don't worry, I basically stole so many of your rules before that, you can take whatever you can ...
 :wink:


I didn't invent the money system, i got the basic idea from other leagues like the immortal "A+" league ASL, and modified it, primarily to get activity up (at a time when we had 3 posts a day or so)

But i think it has been a surprising success so far as it allows for a lot more player movement and change, which keeps things interesting.

One thing i will most likely have to rework is to reduce the amount of money flowing round. Right now we have 42.880 shillings waiting to be spent in the DJSL league, that's enough cash to scout half of a complete draft class (and this with only about 15 GMs regularly requesting cash (and 6 more frequently). If ALL earned money would be requested - and i mean the game achievements, the rest is automatic - too much $$$ would be available.

when does this money system start? next season?

I dont like the money that is given for trades. So do I have to start trading if I want money? A bit strange to me.
Everyone here in this league knows that the reason why I got a championship is because I stuck together with the same team and give it time to work. That was my idea of making it to a championship... and it worked. Do I get payed for that? No. Not in this system. But gm's do get payed because they trade players away every 2 seconds because "he did not live up to his standards".

Please explain this to me.

Other than that, I like the idea. Seems fun, but since there are no money rewards for achievements, it is not totally fair. For example: it is easier to improve if your team is wack. I think it is equal if a crappy team impoves by 10 games or a team that wins 60 games improves by 5 games.

I dont want to be a rebel or anything. I DO LIKE the idea! I am just being the devil's advocate here.

completing a trade is worth $25.  In order to get the money to scout someone's potential, you would have to complete eight trades to get that money.  Somebody who just posts their depth charts and is active in the offseason will get $320 right off the bat in a season.   Wh would be roughly 13 trades.

Trading is certainly not necessary and you get virtually no penalty for not doing it.

One of the main goals is to really help those who are less fortunate.  Also, you DO get rewarded by being on a winning team.  Your reward is to get to back to back finals and be a champion.  Would you give that up for the ability to scout a rookies potential?

don't worry, some go for the trading $$$ and some for the trophy.

Want to know which is my favourite group?
 :wink:

Oh no, you won't get the money for your 2nd rounders circus.

Ok, Nets and Celtics... you are right. I had not thought it through like that.

So about earning money by posting a depth chart...There are certain GMs in the league(not mentioning any names) who have put "same" as their depth chart for every single sim, other then Sim 1, for something like the last 6 straight seasons. In my opinion, these people should not even be in the league, let alone be rewarded for "posting a depth chart"...

I mean, such high activity it great and all, but there's gotta be a point where we draw the line... :roll:

Lakers someone?

I haven't posted anything but same yet this season.  Should I be in the league?

Overgeneralizations like that may be true 20% of the time.  That's not enough to screw up the other 80%.

4 sims into one season...

6 seasons!!!

just a question. I see that we we post DC's we get to get $$$. Does our previous dc count on that account?

hmm..i think its a good idea to award somebody for his activity...

im just concerned with contract extentions and taking off one year of the contract...because this would leave the FA with bad players....

when a player has 3 bird year and when you give that extension you will be able to sign him max by then... then this would leave the FA with little talent...

dont get me wrong...i like the idea...but i like to make the contract extenions and reduction stuff more expensive and hard to get...

maybe something like this:

Contract reduction - takes last year(s) off the book
reduce by 1 yr .................... $550
reduce by 2 yrs ................... $750
reduce by 3 yrs ................... $900
reduce by 4 yrs ................... $1100
reduce by 5 yrs ................... $1400

This is how much it costs to extend a player for one year (You can only extend a player for one year):
from 332k to 1.49mio .............. $550
from 1.5mio to 4.99mio ............ $750
from 5.0mio to max ................ $900

something like that... i dont have a problem in spending on loyalty and trade exceptions....what do you guys think?

First of all, if you're going to complain about someone, don't pussy foot around the fact.

Second, if you're talking about the lakers, he hasn't posted every dc for a season yet, so this money doesn't affect him.

Third, some of us in lives are more busy than others.  I've had discussions with lakers (and Pistons) and deemed their activity levels to be justified by personal situations.

Well, first, contract extensions are only for 1 year and can only be done once.  So it's not like it's going to end fa.

Second, what free agents ever enter free agency with less than two bird years as is?  We already have the provision to give 2nd round picks a 3rd year.  Who signs an integral piece of their team to a 1 year deal without already previously having his bird years?

I think you're (quite drastically) overstating the issue.  I think the bigger issue (which has been addressed) was the hard cap.

I completely understand, there's no problem with that. But then the position should belong to someone who can be a more active participant.

In your opinion.  To some people, this is a release.  A diversion from real life.  A way to step away for a few minutes per day.  I'm not going to deny these people (who still alway s reply to my pm's and e-mails) the chance to do this because of my personal ideal of how they should handle their depth charts.

Which, btw, still has little relevance to the current thread.

is this for me???


i just feel it is too easy to extend and reduce contract...

No, that was to CavsGM.  Your post wasn't up there when I began my reply.

It costs $600 to extend the contract of someone making 5+ million.  If you are active every single sim, you get $320 in a year.  That means you would have to miss zero sims for 2 sim seasons to be able to extend 1 guy for 1 year

I'll take it under consideration, but I think the $'s just about right.

I understand Pistons situation. But lakers? He wasn't even active in the league and still had the time to run his own sim league.

Look, based on the conversations I've had with both, it's my decision, and this is not up for public debate.

This brings up a good point.  I suggest that trades for picks only don't get paid.  A player has to be involved to earn the money.

good point.  For 2nd round picks, at least.

I like that this is coming in at the same time as the hard cap, that takes some of the worry away from the Heat's point, because even if a guy gets his bird years, he's not gonna want to max him out necessarily...

I don't think this will have a huge effect on the league, but whatever effect it has will be positive.

can the players still ask for extension without us using the point system?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ... !!!







 :D

Yes, this doesn't interfere with the other aspects of the program.

oh okay. just additional options, I guess. :D

i know it is a little of topic but does anyone know where the nuggets are currently?
It is not fair to give TOM a lotto pick because of inaktivity  :twisted:

Their last post in here came on March 8th and the last activity in DJSL forum came on March 8th as well. That's why i had to strip them of JazzGM duties there, before the team completely goes down the drain (something the new JazzGM achieved with ease being active, btw ...  :wink: )

Though i'm not sure they would win more being active, with that team which is basically just Berkowitz, Butler and Odom ... ups, cancel Odom for this season ...

but honestly, i aquired the pick before the season started.

where are the other gms? should this be voted upon? or implemented right away?

I as well was looking for NuggetsGM.

And if you want to vote about this system. My vote is a positive one.

NuggetsGM is currently MIA, and it's a known issue.  I'm giving him a little bit of leeway since he's been here from the beginning, but soon there's going to be an open spot.

And I don't really think there's going to be a vote on this, unless there's widespread disagreements with it.

Will be able to use the money in trades?

For example...I reach a deal with the Celtics to trade Hoiberg for Thomas.  The Celtics want more (like always) and instead of a draft pick can I give him $50 from this account?

yea we can, I'm pretty sure it said that in the rules, which I think is cool, because us cellar teams might want some money to find out about rookies.

Yes, I see it now.  I missed it the first time I read the rules.

Hey guys, I'm selling my 2nd round pick for $10 any.

so when will this start? will our past DC be counted? i miss one...argh  :x

You will get $ for past DC's.  Missed past DC's will not going against perfect attendance.

After seeing how often some people have traded since the draft (upwards of 7 trades), I'm bumping the value for trades down to $10.  As Clippers said, trading isn't necessarily the sign of an active GM, and I don't think it's fair that someone can make 10 trades in a year, get $250, and get more $ than the most improved team in the year.

So the value for completing a trade is $10.

Team Banks Updated:
http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4362&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Check-In Updated:
http://ssbafiles.phillyarena.net/files/Check-In/2013_check-in.htm

$ for prior check-ins have been added.  Remember, the end of year bonus only counts beginning with sim 6, however.

$ from trades from the draft has also been added.

Be sure to check your check-in status to make sure it's accurate.  I am human, and it's possible I checked the wrong box or missed it altogether, and I wouldn't want someone missing out on their $ because of an error.

3 teams were disqualified this sim for the end of year bonus.

Team Banks are updated.

I will always process the trade $ after each completed trade.  However, in future seasons I'm only going to update the DC money at the end of the regular season.  The check-in will always be updated, so if you need to use the $, you can just request it at any time by making a thread in the team bank forum.  It should be easy enough for you to calculate, it's just the # of DC's you've made x $10.  So just post it and you can use any money up to that point.

dang, somehow I missed DC 5