SSBA

Diddle
2016 Knicks 1st

for

Arroyo
Josh
Brown
2014 Magic 1st
2014 Blazers 1st

decline

WOW !!!

On the other side, we haven't had any controversy here for way too long, so let's get ready to rumble ...

Hmm..perhaps I will get to the bottom of this.

Yeah, um...this forum isn't for negotiationg or offers.  This forum is for completed trades, ones that have been agreed upon.  There really should never be a "decline".  Obviously MagicGM thought an agreement was in place.  What happened?

great canada logic...

first agree to a trade then stop any activity and third change your mind...
maybe we all should start to jelp him  :twisted:

Maybe MagicGM posted something wrong.

Shuddup PacersGM ;)


Pidge has told me that he agreed to the originally deal, but the MagicGM pulled out as he wanted to change it a couple times.

we did agree on that but then he wanted to change it a couple of times.

If he wanted to change it he should have posted so in this thread.

Magic, what's going on?

so why did he decline it? magic posted it so it is agreed no matter what magic afterward pmed

Well this deal is absolutely ridiculous. Not the fact that it was declined, but the actual trade...

Ok, so from the KnicksGM, this is what I have gathered:

THey both agreed to the trade, but then the magic decided that he wanted the change it. Knicks would not agree to the changes, yet almost a week later the Magic posted the trade again, and the Knicks had not agreed again, assuming the trade was over. The KnicksGM does not want to do the trade anymore.

If I am wrong, I am sorry. But wasnt there some input as a reaction to this trade before it was agreed upon? Am I right? If so, I think that has more to do with the Knicks declining.

okay. ridiculous. bods you can check my PM.

he accepted the trade.. this is what he wrote:

lol. I was just asking him if he wanted to change it. not even a single reply to that. he even told me I post it.

bods, you can just check my PM. I have nothing to be ashamed of. Both parties agreed upon it.

I was just asking whether he'd like me to add Darius. Whats wrong with asking? he didn't even give a reply to that, And that was already after I post it.

not really :D haha. this happened in the past with the hornets and me. but this time I made sure.

could be. I sent knicks the link of this thread. when I sent him whether he'd like darius, the message (with the link of the thread in it), was already in my sentbox.

edit: when I sent him that if he'd like darius, JazzGM's comment was already posted.

Guys, this post here is just to break the string of seven (7 !!!) consecutive Magic posts

That must be some sort of record, right there with Wilt's 100 and Shaq missing a FT in like 1527 consecutive games.

Still, congratulations Magic, you worked the time zones to perfection here ...
 :lol:

lol actually no. :D haha

Stop trying to rob the newbie. :sw:

See he didn't even know what he was doing at that time.

It seems pretty clear that he accepted the offer in the PM, but the problem is that he might not have known our rules here. Most leagues say that a trade is only final if it's posted and accepted in the 'completed trades' thread...

I guess it's up to Bods now.

actually, I think its a nice deal for him. Diddle is already 28. By the time his team peaks, Diddle will be worthless. This deal fulfills his 2-year plan. And Diddle's contract takes at least 1/5 of his cap.

it is already beyond my understanding why he took on a bad contract  :?

Deal cancelled.

Reason:
True, Magic made an offer.  Then Knicks accepted.  But after that acceptance, Magic made this pm:



Now, this is clearly not MagicGM saying "if you want Darius instead, take him, I'll agree to that too".  MagicGM is offering Darius instead of Brown because it would be beneficial to him, "coz I'll need a pg".  That deal, to me, sounds like it's still in negotiations.  It's now KnicksGM's decision whether or not he wants to hold Magic to the previously agreed upon deal, since it was Magic who made a counterproposal to a deal that had already been worked out.

I am not going to hold KnicksGM to the deal.  However, please be advised that deals once agreed upon are considered final.  Please reply to all PM's you get (even if it's a ridiculous offer).  And never ignore a posted trade in the completed trades forum.

http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/privmsg.php?folder=sentbox&mode=read&p=70804



it was a conditional statement.

it doesn't count out the fact that the 1st deal was cancelled. I was just asking him.

you missed out the latter part of that message.

already accepted*

 my bad.

first of all, I didn't miss that part.  The 2nd part of the message is ambiguous at best.  If what?  What's the other options?

You say "if you like it, post it and I'll reply".  There's no second part.  No else.  For all he knows, he could think it's "otherwise, the deal is cancelled".  After reading the first part of your message, WHICH IS CLEARLY CONTINUING NEGOTATIONS, I would be unsure of whether or not the deal was in negotaitions as well.

It's stated very clearly in the rules that posted trades are not up for continued negotiation:



http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1114&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

I will take it under consideration and post my final decision tomorrow.

I don't get it. If it were the Knicks who posted the trade and the Magic who declined then this would make sense, but not the other way around. But I'm not complaining, because this trade would make the Knicks worse, and I have the Hawks pick that is competing for #1... 8)

ouch, low blow...but it's so so true

Hey, I was gonna say I have my own pick as well, because it is up there, but I can't diss my own team... :)

there was only 2 option on that message. Whether he'd like Darius, or Justin.
As I said on that message, if he likes Darius instead Brown, he could post it in this thread, and I'll later accept it. but it doesn't mean that it if he doesn't like Darius, the deal would be cancelled just because of that. thats why had IF into that part of the message.

thank you

I've heard

your side

with your

15 consecutive posts

i'll have my decision tomorrow

Reminder:


Next time follow that rule and we won't have confusion.

lol

trade of the century after mine trading a lotto for Watson  :lol:

wrong knicks trade thread?

nah, having some Matrix CPU problems around here  :lol:

hmm... actually this is not the worse...considering what the knicks is about to do with the raptors... lottery pick for a bench player that has a HUUGE CONTRACT..... dickau has 13 mil starting and 19 mil on year 5... :shock:  its just a shocker...

That bench player on my team is a guy who could score around 16 ppg for the Knicks.

And the other player can score 12 off the bench. On a team dying for offense, I'd say it's worth a pick in a bad draft year.

Hell you just made a thread praising Juan Ward...who has the EXACT same ratings as Dickau.

:lol:

hahaha if that bench player is playing 40 minutes per game than it is possible that he could reach 16ppg...

i would rather have juan ward than dickau
statswise, talentwise, contract wise, agewise and any other wise you have....

contract wise dickau contract year will take almost half of the knicks cap. its thats bloated for a "16ppg" scorer

dude... 13 mil starting is for a superstar... after 5 years he'll be 19 mil and talent would be declining...if scoring 16ppg would be his peak than what would be left when he steps in 30? the worse part is he wont be retiring after 5 years....

juan ward is still 25 and has a decent contract...  dickau is 27 with a bloated contract with no future left...

i wonder how you reason yourself thinking dickau for the lottery pick is fair...

i have ivan piatkowski scoring  6.8 ppg in just 15 minutes... he is worth 14 ppg when played 30 minutes...if played 40 minutes maybe 16ppg... and he is just worth 1.5 million in contract....

can you see it?

the pick would definitly be a top 3 if the knicks would do this trade or not...dickau and micah wouldnt help the team...and you know it because otherwise you wont do this trade...you said it yourself you want to have the top two player with the pick..... the player drafted with the pick is worth it because  the knicks is rebuilding....rather than taking in a bad contract, a talent that wouldnt improve the standings and would take out the opportunity to land a star or a usefull player

after all these posts i still have no idea why the knicks declined a trade they already agreed. It doesn´t matter imo that the magic wanted to rework the trade since all the knicks had to do was to agree to the posted deal he agreed on. Only reason i can see is he changed his mind because it is a very onesided deal, where the magic getting a lotto pick and the better and younger player.
His second trade try with his jelper is even worse.
Why would anybody give up the chance to have cap room and a pot first overall pick for two backups with bad contracts who can´t help him out of the lotto. there is no reason to go for somebody like dickau with such a bad contract.
I don´t know how jelping is used in canada but stealing the best trade value isn´t imo.

blasphemy!

jelping  :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelp

OMG :o

HAHAHAHAHA

what a terrible mistake by bods, forgetting to equal the Magic record when stopping after only SIX consecutive posts. OMG, and this is supposed to be a veteran forum poster ???

So the "All-time achievement list now looks like this:
1. Wilt's 100
2. Shaq's 1527 games with at least one missed FT
3. Magic's 7 consectutive posts
...
1917. (tied) Nets 6 consecutive posts


way to go, bods, way to go ...
 8)

What were the Knicks going to do with their cap space, exactly? Sign more Crains and Sauers?

And since the deal hasn't even been agreed on, you guys really can't be talking about it, so I would appreciate if that would end.

The deal will either be enforced or not enforced, there is no more need on agreement.  It's fine to discuss.

Ok, wel, Bods, your thoughts then?

I don't want to look suspicious given that the KnicksGM is a friend of mine.

ok, enough joking around, let's get serious.

Bods, trades are posted and accepted right HERE. I don't see any acceptance. Trades were never ever done through PM and whatever is said there (or in AIM) is talk only. Sure, it was maybe a rookie mistake to not accept the posted deal (as there was whatever conversation going on), but fact is, no deal was accepted.

We've handled it that way so far and I'd really ask to keep it that way, for the sake of "legal certainity" alone.
 :!:

Celtics, he was talking about the Raptors-Kincks deal that has been brought up in this thread.

maybe you should read the rule page...

Actually, I misread.  I was talking about this thread, not raptors/knicks.  Yeah, don't comment on that.



Um...no.  In fact, there was a trade in the past where it was enforced based on acceptance in PM's.  I take it differently than most other commish's.  If you say you accept, you accept.  It's a contract before it gets onto this forum.  It's always been that way here.

Most contracts in life are enforcable even without official documentation.  Just a verbal agreement is a contract.  That's how it's always been handled here.

Oh good to know. Sorry then ... no wait a moment, that's PERFECT !!!
 :lol:

well, since we're throwing a living fish into water, any final decision...?  :?

I'm sorry, I'm still not going to hold KnicksGM to the deal.

I don't buy the "if".  Once you make a new offer, it tells me the deal is not yet finalized.  What if he goes "yeah, I'll do it for Darius, but I won't include Nguyen.  To do that you'd have to give me <this pick>".

Then you come back, "no, I won't include this pick, but I will this".  And you keep going back and forth.  Are you then, at any point in the continued negotiations, allowed to go back and hold KnicksGM to the deal agreed upon in prior conversations?  

Sorry, when you make a new offer, you are doing so cancelling the previous agreement.  I'm sorry that this prevents the raping of a new GM, but this is my decision, and should be followed as a precedent for future negotations-after-agreements.

Once a deal is agreed upon and posted on the board, there is only one possible next step.  The other party posting "I agree".  There should never be continued negotiations or a decline, ever.

Knicks, if you have any questions in the future, please PM me.  While I sided with you, I do not like ignoring PM's or trade threads at all.  I'm always here to answer questions, as are many people on this board.  Feel free to use our experience.

w/e

:lol: nm. I was supposed to butt-in. haha