SSBA

11) Spurs - Modestine Moucque, C, Florida
12) Knicks - Olen Cannon, SG, California
13) Suns - Chris Ortiz, C, Michigan State
14) Jazz - John Walker, C, Oklahoma
15) Grizzlies - Warren Murphy, PG, George Washington
16) Nuggets - Royal Jackson, C, UCLA
17) Wolves - Hershel Smith, PF, Ohio State
18.) Theo Macedo, SF, Stanford
19) Merlin Murray, PG, Mississippi
20) Omar Hutchinson, PF, Connecticut

is it just me or the Knicks have been inactive??  :?:

Argh, damn, there go my remaining three prospects: Olen Cannon, Royal Jackson and Theo Macedo.
 :(

Back to square one for me now ...

WAIT; STOP; FORGET WHAT I POSTED.

The most dominant offensive force in College Basketball is still available, and he nearly slipped through my fingers. Man, this is crazy, what a guy. Sure he doesn't play a lick of defense but who cares ...
 8)

Wow...if I had known Hutchinson would have dropped to 20 (I had him 2nd on my list) tehn I wouldn't have traded to get the 11th pick.

i really like Jackson, I think he'll be a player

#2 rating-wise in the whole draft list (according to my complex formula). So he's a steal at #16 for sure ...

I'm very pleased to get Jackson.  Had him #1 on my draft list.  Hopefully, the FBCB ratings will carry over.

I'm not sure how he could be considered #2  8), but hopefully his B potential is true and he can increase his defense this TC.

Sorry, he's only #3 (in college potential ratings that is) behind only Kent and Davis, ahead of Fuqua, Sylvester and Tippett.
Looking at ACTUAL college ratings he'd be #4, surpassed by Sylvester.

Has it occured to you that some people may have a different rating system than you?

So?

Of course everyone will weigh categories differently, if at all, but i doubt you can find a rating system which has Jackson drop all the way to #16.

...

You quoted NuggetsGM.  Neither of you were talking about the difference between 1 and 16.

Tom has some issues  :lol:

BTW, I'm not sure what the love is with Jackson.

In FBB Ratings he's a 6'8" C with a horrible outside shot, horrible defense, and horrible rebounding.  In college he was overachieving in 2 cats, underachieving in 3.  That's +1, so I'm sure his defense is a B or so.

But with C defense and C rebounding, it BETTER be a B.

He's a terrible athlete.  D- quickness, C jumping.  And a brutal defensive rebounder, and not much of a shotblocker.  

I mean, he's got some offensive skills (whether that translates into the SSBA at 6'8" we'll see.  I would have actually liked him to go back to college and develop that jumper potential and perimeter d potential, rather than have it combine into the melting pot potential we have in FBB).  And he's probably a decent man-man defender.  But that defensive rebounding, shotblocking and athelticism/height combination would have me worried.

I mean, at #16, that's a decent risk.  But I think he's getting vastly overrated.

I'm with Nets on this one...I didn't even have him ranked in my top 30 prospects.

I like Jackson better than Nets does, but I wouldn't have taken him in the top 10, I don't think.  

His outside shot should increase (he won't be taking 3 pointers, and that and his C free throw rating weights his outside rating down more than it should for an inside guy) and he's an A post defender with a B potential for perimeter defense.  Sure, he's lacking in quickness, but I'll take a Robert Traylor-type project at pick 16.

Again, he's not going to turn into a star, but he should help my team out.  That's enough for me.

don't get me wrong, i'm by no means talking about player VALUE, only RATINGS. Thats why you can't just draft using fomulas. I agree that i would never have drafted Jackson in the top 8 at least, but beyond ... ?

Some example: In the last 4 drafts a total of 400 players were available. Among the top 50 are 6 players not even in the league anymore (undrafted or since cut 2nd rounders), and i doubt anyone remembers names like Wilson, Speer, and Provencher anymore. btw, current #1 pick Siegel didn't crack that top 50 list (as didn't former #3 pick Gerstl) ...

That said my formula is most likely crap.
 :cry:


Just look at my draft pick, who i'll select tonight. His ratings are horrible, he plays no defense, he doesn't even crack the top 60 in THIS draft. Yet he kicks some ass playing ...  :lol: