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Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: SpursGM-old on February 21, 2006, 10:46:23 AM
Has anyone else noticed that the top ten FG% list is all PG, SG & SF?  Peja is listed as a PF but everyone knows he doesn't take the majority of his shots in the paint.  

Is there a lack of big men who can shoot inside or is the lane dominated by defensive studs that won't allow any big man to score efficiently?  Thoughts?


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: PacersGM on February 21, 2006, 10:54:36 AM
maybe there are some rules who make the guards play better but i think it is more because of all the qualtiy guards in all the drafts who are great in offense but can´t really defense yet.
also JO was most of the time near 490 through the season but i changed my depth chart too often to keep him at that pace.


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: CavsGM on February 21, 2006, 03:23:15 PM
The average big man in the league probably shoots like 43%. That's my guess. Hell, even a lot of the big men with high inside ratings and high scoring shoot low percentages. It's absolutely ridiculous. I do not know why it's like that.


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: BlazersGM on February 21, 2006, 04:56:12 PM
defense has evolutionazed too much  :lol:


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: ClippersGM-old on February 21, 2006, 05:11:57 PM
Quote from: BlazersGM
defense has evolutionazed too much  :lol:


Yeah, the Clippers started that revolution!  :bounce:  Many teams wanted to evolve with them...





 :lol2:


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: BlazersGM on February 21, 2006, 05:18:14 PM
u sure it was you ?  8)


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: ClippersGM-old on February 21, 2006, 05:35:06 PM
Pretty sure...  :bods:


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: BullsGM-old on February 21, 2006, 05:45:54 PM
*cough*Amare*cough*


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: SpursGM-old on February 21, 2006, 06:02:00 PM
Quote from: BullsGM
*cough*Amare*cough*


Yeah...a career 45.8% shooter (heading into this season) hitting at a 41.2% clip this year.  Poster child for the thread.   8)


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: KingsGM-old on February 21, 2006, 06:17:52 PM
Quote from: ClippersGM
Quote from: BlazersGM
defense has evolutionazed too much  :lol:


Yeah, the Clippers started that revolution!  :bounce:  Many teams wanted to evolve with them...





 :lol2:


I'll dissolve you in the playoffs.

 8)


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: CavsGM on February 21, 2006, 06:45:56 PM
Looks like the KingsGM here is the universal solvent... :lol:


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: BlazersGM on February 21, 2006, 06:47:42 PM
nah, he is just an :bods:


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: KingsGM-old on February 21, 2006, 07:15:15 PM
Nope.

Don't drink for 2 and half moths now. Since New Years Eve actually. Sober as a little girl.

I won't touch a bottle until summer.


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: NetsGM on February 21, 2006, 07:21:17 PM
I think what you're seeing is that some of the former dominant big men scorers (Duncan, Garnett, career 49% and 47.5% shooters) are now not the 27-30 ppg scorers they used to be (and, hence, not among the league leaders.  

There are still some good post scorers.   Dwight's scoring 25 ppg on 45% shooting.  Jermaine's scoring 24.7 ppg on 47.7% shooting.  Elton Brand's scoring 22.8 ppg on 47.8% shooting.  And Yao's still Yao.

But the big men who were at the top of the league scoring wise (even Jermaine was a 27-28 ppg scorer for a few years) have fallen off.  But I don't think it's ridiculously hard for big men.

But big men without a diversified skillset will shoot low %'s in this league.  Interior defense is just far too good for a guy with D outside shooting to succeed.  Even look at Emeka, who's been an A- inside since the first year in this league, is only a 44% field goal shooter, and has only shot more than 43% twice in 8 seasons.  You need more than post skills.


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: BlazersGM on February 21, 2006, 08:00:20 PM
Quote from: KingsGM
Nope.

Don't drink for 2 and half moths now. Since New Years Eve actually. Sober as a little girl.

I won't touch a bottle until summer.


you-re on macona now ?


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: KingsGM-old on February 21, 2006, 08:06:47 PM
What's a macona?


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: BlazersGM on February 21, 2006, 08:12:58 PM
trava jebote


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: SpursGM-old on February 22, 2006, 10:20:56 AM
Quote from: NetsGM
I think what you're seeing is that some of the former dominant big men scorers (Duncan, Garnett, career 49% and 47.5% shooters) are now not the 27-30 ppg scorers they used to be (and, hence, not among the league leaders.  

There are still some good post scorers.   Dwight's scoring 25 ppg on 45% shooting.  Jermaine's scoring 24.7 ppg on 47.7% shooting.  Elton Brand's scoring 22.8 ppg on 47.8% shooting.  And Yao's still Yao.

But the big men who were at the top of the league scoring wise (even Jermaine was a 27-28 ppg scorer for a few years) have fallen off.  But I don't think it's ridiculously hard for big men.

But big men without a diversified skillset will shoot low %'s in this league.  Interior defense is just far too good for a guy with D outside shooting to succeed.  Even look at Emeka, who's been an A- inside since the first year in this league, is only a 44% field goal shooter, and has only shot more than 43% twice in 8 seasons.  You need more than post skills.


But it's not just scoring....it's the fg%.  Even Yao who has shot over 50% for the past 4 years is down.  Meanwhile either we have a lot of slashers that are finishing in the lane...which I don't think is the case as that negates the theory of strong defensive play by bigmen.  Or we have an unusally high number of accurate jumpshooters.  We have 33 year old Peja and 35 year old Ray Allen having career years in FG%.  So age is impoacting the big men but jumpshooters aren't losing their legs.   :?:

Yes, there are big men who are still scoring a lot of points but they need more shots to accomplish it.  And look at your list....where is a computer generated player that is going to step up and take the place of inside scoring.


Title: Big men who can't shoot
Post by: NetsGM on February 22, 2006, 12:23:48 PM
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Yes, there are big men who are still scoring a lot of points but they need more shots to accomplish it


It's still the same concept though.  The dominant scorers are getting up there in age, and they haven't yet been replaced.  There are still bigs who shoot a high percentage, but non-well rounded bigs will not.

Post defense in this league is definitely a step above post offense.