SSBA

The draft preview (FBCB) is now up.  I ran the full season.  The FBB imported ratings will be up at sim 1.

http://ssbadraft.phillyarena.net/
There are also two download links (on the main rosters page, left frame), one to download the FBCB details of the 2012 draft (the one that just finished), and one to download the FBCB details of the 2013 draft (the upcoming one).

BTW, early departures:
http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/earlydepartures.htm

For some reason FBCB doesn't like to that page on the left.

Draft Preview (FBB) up.

http://ssba.phillyarena.net/draft/draftplayers-pos.htm

Certainly unimpressive.

Argh, another brutal draft class.  I actually have my pick this year as well..

it didn't look too promising from some of the top players stats

this has got to be the worst draft class :D

Change it  :twisted:  :lol:

It seems to be a downward spiral...

Just from quickly looking at the FBB ratings, Bennett Fuqua and Jose Siegel seem like the only decent players.  There are NO good offensive players except for Fuqua, there are NO good defenders, and NO good point guards.  Looks like I'm going to have to make the playoffs this year :)

Or give me your pick ...

What was this high schooler (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/players/player516.htm) thinking when he declared?

My starting SF & SG are bigger than PF Fuqua.   :roll:

I'm sure it will bounce back.

This is the 2000 Draft (http://www.nbadraft.net/2000.htm)

BTW, there's now a link on the left of the main page (ssba.phillyarena.net) for draft archive (rather than direct links to the 2013 download and 2012 download).

The downloads are rather large (between 21 and 27 megs), but useful for those tracking how college ratings transfer to pro's a few years down the line.

You could, of course, still get there by clicking on the File Archive link on the top of frame, then browsing to either the year you're looking for, or clicking on the draft folder.

Yikes, didn't even notice his height.  6'6''..

this isn't the draft for me to have 3 picks in :cry:

I guess you can be helped ...

who wants my 2nd rounder ?

you know who takes EVERY 2nd rounder. Gimme, gimme, gimme ...
 8)

i posted, all you need to do is to click the accept button  8)  :lol:

i think the college drafts are providing more guys who are projects rather than guys like Petit, Gatling and Keogan who come in ready to play and dominate right away.  I think these guys probably need more time to develop but will eventually be as good as some of the prior classes.  Although there has been a top player in each of the previous college drafts prior to this one.

Depends on the draft.

Last year, Tyler was a beast.  17/14 with 2.5 blocks so far.
Stocker put up 13/13 his first year.
Barner 19/13
Berkowitz put up 20/11 his first season.
Bertram Schultz put up 18/7 from the SG position his rookie year.  Compare his rise with Gatling.

of the trio you listed, Keogan IMO was a huge disappointment his first 2 years.  Gatling was 20-22 ppg his first two years, good, but not significantly better than Schultz (especially when you factor in defense).

I think it has a nice balance of ready to contribute (Schultz, Berkowitz, Tyler), guys who need to develop (Max, Lord, Rex Mehta), and busts.

But this draft looks like poop.

oh yea, these college drafts have provided some stud, mainly PF's, but guys like Lincoln Lord, who might be the best pg in the game after another TC, are projects who need to sit for a season or two.  But in this draft I see a few guys who have the potential to be pretty good role players, but nothing special, especially since the only half way ready to play guy IMO is a 6'6 PF who is smaller than most SG's in the game except for my Mason Mercer.

jeez.. no love for Brice

after a long search, i may have found a guy who I think could be a solid contributor ina few years and a prospect who imo is worth the #3 pick.

Guys, can we let that sentence run through my DRAFT ANALYZATOR once again:
"After a LONG SEARCH, i MAY have found a guy who I THINK COULD BE a solid contributor IN A FEW YEARS and a PROSPECT who imo is WORTH THE #3 PICK."

So,one by one take a look at the key phrases here:
- LONG SEARCH - this is to be expected with an overload of information available ... only than around 75% of that information is SCOUTED only and may or may not be true !
- MAY - No certainity, look under "scouted only" above.
- I THINK - "may" and "i think" in one sentence doesn't bode too well for whats coming ...
- COULD BE - It's not even certain that he ever will be, now thats a tough act of balance
- IN A FEW YEARS - WHAT, I even have to WAIT for him to become a role player?
- PROSPECT - somewhere in the neighborhood twentyfive alarm bells go off simultaneously, for whatever reason. Could really this word, usually reserved for late 2nd round picks, have such a dramatic effect ?
- WORTH THE #3 PICK - You gotta be kidding me. You are talking round 2 here, right? This can't be the quest to find a top 3 player in the draft, RIGHT? A STAR. A DIFFERENCEMAKER. SOMEONE TO LEAD MY TEAM ANYWHERE SOON ...

{enter deep sigh here ...}

And if you looked closely enough, i didn't even take the biggest questionmark "a solid contributor" into account here. It means that this guy will never be a superstar, most likely never be even a lesser star, but he will be "a solid contributor" at best. Can we call him a "Nocioni for the poor" then?  "Chris Mihm, but without the flair?" "A less polished version of Eduardo Najera?"

Man oh man, if this analysis here isn't a reason to abandon the FBCB draft import i don't know ...
 :wink:

So you're saying FBCB hasn't produced good players?

Or that you don't get more info from FBCB than regular FBB?

Or that we should go to hand-made draft files?

to make that clear, i think these drafts are ok.
The statement of hoping to get a possible future solid contributor at #3 is not ...

 :lol:

http://www.nbadraft.net/2000.htm

Stromile Swift, #2 pick.  career backup.
Darius Miles, #3 pick. borderline starter.
Marcus Fizer, #4 pick, out of league.

Darko Milicic, #2 pick, I don't think he's started a game yet.

Michael Olowokandi, #1 pick, stinks.
Robert Traylor, #6 pick, career backup.

There should be some god awful years.  The previous couple years with FBCB IMO have been very good.

Considering the other two options (hand-made drafts, which I'm against, and FBB giving you no detail), I'm quite happy.

If this becomes commonplace, then I become worried.

That being said, HawksGM is certainly due for a good break :)
He's had rotten luck just about from the beginning.

If the next draft turns out like this one, then there's a real problem. We'll have to see if this year's class is just an exception or that there will be more like these to come...

And here is where you are off target imho, bods.

You really think above teams made their early picks thinking "we may have found a guy who we think could be a solid contributor in a few years and a prospect who is worth the #3 pick"? I doubt. They were either thinking "this is a guy that will be a contributor NOW (and still get a lot better)" or "we think this could be a star, possibly even superstar, in a few years and thus is a prospect who is worth the #2 or #3 pick".

Nobody drafts a solid contributor in a few years at #3. You see a star or deal the pick, its pretty straightforward.

And here is where i see the Hawks being wrong. There are a few guys who will be solid starters NOW, and who knows about star potential with all this scouted stuff ...
 8)

So you're saying in the NBA teams often THINK they're drafting stars when they get stiffs?

So, since we know they're stiffs, that's a bad thing?  Doesn't that mean our ability to scout their potential is good?

Would you rather have it MORE random?

Rather than pointing out problems, what's the fix?

Actually the discussion reached a level i'm not sure i can follow anymore.

There is no problem, as i mentioned a couple of times, that needs to be fixed. The drafts are ok, the scouting possibilities with FBCB giyve an extra kick to draft analysis, the ratings are not overwhelming but i believe it beats handmade drafts which bring 20 stars into the league each year (as much as I would like to draft such a star here in SSBA).

So please, lets not seek a problem where there is none.

All I did was make fun of a masterful understatement quote from the Hawks about actively seeking a "possible future solid contributor" with the 3rd pick, thats all. Really. Believe me ...
 :wink:

i was misunderstood, or i misspoke.  i mean i found a 18/8 kind of guy.  that's what consider a "solid contributor."  I see a superstar as 25/10 and anything else a solid contributor.  Then in my ranking a role player is beneath them and everything else is the bench players.  I'm not going to get a top notch guy, but more like a Scot Dickman type player, but I think it may take him a couple TC's to get there.  As a rookie he probably won't be like John Tyler and be a double double candidate right off the bat, but imo his potential is very good and judging from college he can play.  I judge this by looking at attributes of players such as Lincold Lord and Max Gutierrez out of college and their success in developing in to pro studs.  I'm not just guessing randomly, I'm guessing based on things I have learned. :lol:

WOW.

For the first time i can think of in ANY league the draft order went with the probability of ping pong balls.

And the Lakers get yet another top pick (how many where there recently). Hope their furtune reverses some day ...

David Jonas' cousin who is 7'4, decided to enter the draft. Can you guess who is he? :D

There's a lot of young talent in this league, we're do for a bad draft and about time it's not overloaded with pg's

OH MY GOODNESS, WHERE IS HE ?

http://ssbadraft.phillyarena.net/draft/players/player4185.htm

and don't tell me THAT defense and board work wouldn't get him a first round pickup this year ...

Things happen, a lot of people don't make it for some reason. That guy David Hollister had amazing college ratings but turned out to be garbage in the draft. Or good players just aren't in the draft. Who knows why.

Might be, might be.

But I'd have this guy #20 on my draft list NOW (and if you look at potential only he's #13 in this draft  !!!!!).

Missing out on such a guy lets me question that FBCB-FBB transfer ...
 :?

It's most likely because Cincinnati, for whatever reason, decided to play him only 1.5 minutes per game his junior year and 19 minutes his senior year.

Maybe FBB is biased against calling someone a top rookie based solely on ratings, excluding production?

Dunno.  I think the issue is more with FBCB and why he wasn't played at cincinatti rather than why he wasn't imported.