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Rafael Araujo

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Max
Pietrus
Prince
2011 Heat First
2012 Kings First
2013 Kings First

I Agree.

I know i gave too much, but something has to be done. And don't ask me who's gonna play a sf either. :)

West, here comeS the KINGS AGAIN!

Raps, i had to throw out Harpring and Giricek cause it's now working sallary wise. I would like to get at least Giricek. Also, i think you need to cut some players to make the deal work.

If you're not done negotiating, don't post the deal.

I asked him several times is everything working under trade checker (cause mine is not working for some time). That also led to roster spot problem.

Kings, I PM'd you.

Alo I apologize, the trade checker doesn't work on my computer, and it seems when I calculated the trade I made a simple mistake.

The Kings and I are making a simple re-working of the deal that will be posted I'm sure as soon as he gets my message.

The trade checker works with any installation of Excel or Open Office 2.0 (http://www.openoffice.org/) installed.  If you don't have microsoft office, I highly recommend OpenOffice, which can work with Microsoft Office formatted documents and is a free word processing suite.

I probably should do that, or find one on the internet, I know there are lots.

It's really no problem to work it out by hand, however sometimes simple mistakes are made.

How can you go to University and not have an office suite installed

*scratches head*

seriously, open office.  it's free.  it's great.  it takes 3 minutes.  use it.

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Well, I have Office. I have Money 2005, Works, Picture It!, etc. Just not excel for some reason.

Sorry for the delay, the Raptors cut Odom and Hoiberg (Also posted in Cuts thread) to make this work.

And therefore, RAPTORS AGREE TO THIS TRADE.

Raps, i need to ask you something.

Nets, please, hold on a bit on this trade.

This was supposed to be contigent for something larger. Just a sec.

Well, why would the Raptors trade the Brazilian beast?

Aswer: Depth and youth.

You can never argue with getting 3 starters fo one, and that's what I did.

I'm very high on young Max who is better than any PG in this year's draft.

Pietrus already has the offense to be an option, IMO, and the potential to get better.

Prince is a solid starter at SF.

Plus, with the addition of another potential Lottery pick (the Heat went 4-4 last sim, better, but not good enough to overcome the hold they had dug), I should have no problem drafting a starting capable PF t fill the void (although Sampson played so good in Yao's abscence that he might be the answer).

Oh shit, you just accepted!! Oh mine!

Bods- Kings has just informed me that this trade was a part of a 3-way for him but he forgot to post it. He has 24 hours, right?

yes, but since this trade has been accepted by both parties, he can't say "I cancel this trade if the other trade doesn't go through".

I am such a idiot....i have no idea why, but my brain just can't adjust to rules...sorry.

That's what I like to hear.

And there you go Kings, no problem.

I won't cancel the trade. It will go thru either way. I just forgot about stupid 60 day rule.

Well, what has this left me with? A Roster of:

Yao/Walker
Sampson/JDN
Prince/Longley
Pietrus/Nash
Max/Nash

With Yao, Pietrus and Max as the top options, I think.

Also, the Spurs pick (Projected T-6th) and the Heat pick (Projected 8th).

I think this lineup can be a solid .500, as I am in love with both Pietrus and Max. The defense should be better, and the offense will once again truely revolve around Yao.

And who knows about the Kinga 2012 and 2013...I'll wait to see his other "big move" before I speculate.

Like I said, You have 24 hours to post your other trade and FORGET ABOUT THE 60 DAY RULE. Meaning you can package Hoffa with other players as long as you post it before 24 hours is up.

PHEW...good to hear that.


Pietrus? Prepare to be dissapointed.

Pietrus has always played under his ratings, yes, but that is about to change.

Like max, in fact think in time he might be nearly as good as Hoffa (although not as valuable since the league has a lot of pg's).  The Heat pick should be solid (although I don't think it'll be top 10 once TD gets back to playing regularly).  Prince and Pietrus IMO are below average starters.  They can get by as specialized roleplayers on the right team, but otherwise are bench players.

I think that Pietrus will turn out to be a stater, C+ B+ offense is very close to providing that allready, and he still has B potential.

While I agree about the Heat, I also no of some other factors that could result in the pick being top 10 still.

And both future Kings picks will likely b 10-20 range.

Well, I do hate to see Hoffa come back West...   :D

The combination of Hoffa, McGrady and Bibby is deadly.  The Kings will likely be making a serious run right now, and Hoffa has shown the ability to be a great 2nd fiddle.
The Pacific Division is now the toughest Division in the league, imo.

The Raps were stuck at 0.500, and this gives them a great future. I am a huge fan of Max, good chance he will be a great PG in this league.  Pietrus and Prince are both good players, and the the likely lotto pick will liekly net a decent PF/C for the Raps in the offseason. Juts hope the team can mature before Yao starts to age.

I think the Kings are looking to move Hoffa.

I really think Hoffa is more valuable than the package the Raps received in return.

Apparently not, as no other offers came anywhere close.

I disagree with the idea that Pietrus and Prince are below average starters...  I think Prince is an average starter, and Pietrus, at SF is average or an above average starter.  I think Pietrus just has never gotten a chance to start, his career 3 pt% is 46%.

The true question is how much you value Max.  Alot of people value him very highly (I know I do, and was cursing the Kings when he picked him :) )  In two years I think he will be a top 10 PG in the league, maybe even top 5.

It looks like the Yao/Araujo experiment was not working out that well, and Nash may be on his last legs.  The Raps have set themselves up quite nicely for the future with this trade, imo.

You can always find good PG in draft because every draft is full of excellent PGs, but you wouldn't find big man like Hoffa in the draft.  Like this trade for the Kings.

I agree that with the age of Nash and with Araujo and Yao not complementing each other, the trade creates a much more balanced Raptors future.

And I love(d) max, but he is easier to replace.

Max is better than any of the PGs in this draft, IMO.

I also really think that he can be very good.

And Pietrus still has B potential, if he goes to C+, A- offense with A- defense, I would be very happy with that.

At some point potential gets thrown out the window IMO.  Pietrus has essentially been the same player for 5 years.  I don't see him improving at this point, much in the same boat as Bosh (who I believe also had a B potential up until this last TC).

Oh, I know his ratings have changed, but his production really hasn't.

Well, there's always hope, but I do agree with you there.

Anyway, if nothing else, it allows Yao to restake his claim as the top scorer on the team, which is a very good thing.

I can now go back to running a fast pace (which allowed Yao to play more mintes)

Actually i was targeting only 1 guy. If that doesn't go thrue, i think i'll stick with him.

Exactly my words. I had Pietrus on 2 occasions, and he was basically 5ppg guy every time. His ratings are changing (specially potential,, Raps, don't be surprised if his potential go down to D soon, and then climb back to B), but his production always stayed the same.

He's a good guy to have around, but i don't think you can hope for him to be somekind of a option. Actually i can't recall it when was the last time he scored in double digits.

And now explanation off course;

1. I really like Max, i think he could become a great pg. But with Bibby (whom i tried to move for great big too, but only recived shitty offers) + because of his age he just doesn't fit in my "Mcgrady" plans. As i said, i'll do whatever it takes to try win a championship with Mcgrady and this could be the first step toward that direction.

2. Prince and Pietrus ; i lose alot on sg/sf depth, but if that was the price for getting Hoffa, so be it.

3. Kings First Rounders - I think one of them is crap, and one could be a potential lotto. 2013? Hard to tell what will happen, but if you want 25/13 guy, you gotto give at least one potential lotto pick.

4. Heat pick - No team with Duncan can be a lotto IMO, so therefore, 10 - 20 range is not something i should cry about.

Overall i think it's a great deal for me. Bibby - Tmac - 25/13 guy is just something i couldn't have resisted.

And last, i really want to put some fear in league's powerhouses. :)

since I did erroneously say he can make a trade within 24 hours, I will say mea culpa and allow him to make a trade until 7pm tomorrow night.

ai cabron  :D

joke

I like this deal for the Kings.

Toby isn't in this year's draft. He was in last years, with Max. And yes, Toby>Max.

Correct.

This year PGs better than Max are Ramsey, Arbogast, Seymore and Cox. They all have way better ratings than Max had when drafted (= before TC).
(according to my complicated formula which i myself don't always understand ...)

True.  But Max has the advantage of only being 20 when drafted, and having his A potential be definitely proven to be true.

Personally, I would take Max as he is right now over any PG in the draft.

Ditto, which is way I traded for him.

Also, I know that the Nets also think highly of Max, and Bods is rarely wong about such things, so that also factored into my dcision.

No doubt about that and I doubt anyone of this years PG crop can repeat Max' wonderful TC (although two of them are A pot, one is B and one is C).

But I also don't see Max being a starter now, at least not on a good team. He has limitless potential, but isn't there yet.

11, 7 and 4 with 2 to's is good enough to start on haf of the teams in this league.

Hmm. I think he is a decent starter at this point.  Defensively not great, but the Nets have had B or worse starting SG's for years now.

I would say let the boy play before deciding whether he is a decent starter.
So far, he has show himself to be pretty good.
I would say he is a lower scoring version of Earl Boykins at this point.  And that is not bad.

Pettit is an A SG :)

(I think you meant pg)

I say let the kid start for more than 1 sim before judging him one way or the other.  He has played a grand total of 4 games as a starter.  And those 4 games were against the Pacers, Knicks, Bucks & Suns.  Not the top competition in the league by far.  Oh, and did I mention his team went 1-3 against that stellar competition?

Gutierrez did nothing spectacular other than dish to the big guy (i mean WE ALL could get 10apg playing with Yao) and made a couple of wide open shots off doubled and tripled Yao dishes. On the other end? so-so.

Please keep your excitement in check, guys

No one has called him the next coming of Kirk Hinrich  :wink:

But he played decently in his first start.  The Raptors are not truly in the title run this year, so building for the future is a good thing.

Just give him a chance before calling him a below average starter.

Pretty much fuzz about 12th pick....

I'm sad to see Max gone, it seems he's already capable of being a starter and putting some pretty good numbers. Now let's talk about the new deadliest duo in the game. :)

Go get in line, Okafor and Pettit is the best duo.

Defensevly yes, but not on offense.

Why not just leave us be?


I see no reasons why you need to downplay my player's individual results.

Max will prove them all wrong i'm sure about it  8)

I second that. He'll be a top PG in couple of seasons.

I'm sorry, i didn't want to downplay his potential which is huge and all signs point to him becoming a great PG.

But i don't like announcing "a star is born" after one (nice, but mainly losing) sim. That's all. I'll leave it at that ...
 :roll:

true, both of you, he'll be a star like Kings say most likely in 2-3 seasons, and Celtcs GM has a point also, but star is born, we'll just have to wait and see if he'll be another Kwame,Darko (in real life) guy or a true star, i would put money on 2nd statement tough, but let's wait and see.


i kinda regret that deal with Kings now, as i think Maxi will be better then you know whom hehe  :D , damn

LOL

Araujo is one of the few remaining dominant post players.

Its easier to find a max gutierez than a Hoffa.

Dominant on offense, bad on defense, doesn't work with Yao.


And no offense Sixers, but the offer that yo sent me certainly didn't reflect your thoughts that Hoffa was a dominant post player.

Your asking me to give up 2 of my best player in my entire squad and a handful of draft picks. 3 of which are projected lotto picks.  

And like you just said..

hahaha :lol:

That was my counter offer to your first offer. Your first offer is what I was talking about.

But it's irrelevant now.