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Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: GoldenStateGM on September 25, 2005, 09:09:46 PM Bucks trade
Kobe Bryant Warriors Trade Paul Pierce and Brian Cardinal Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: BucksGM on September 25, 2005, 11:07:29 PM I agree.
Obviously some tinkering needs to be done with my team as currently constructed. I figure this trade boosts my bench, lets me slide Donta to 2 (where I think he's more suited) and basically just changes things up a bit. Kobe's potential was also a D and he dropped one tick in outside this training camp. Pierce has the longer contract but is C potential. Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: BlazersGM on September 25, 2005, 11:22:03 PM even deal for both teams
Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: RaptorsGM on September 25, 2005, 11:35:03 PM Like this for the Warriors.
Kobe might have a bit of a renewal beside Hinrich. Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: GoldenStateGM on September 25, 2005, 11:37:45 PM Just hoping that getting rid of Pierce solves my injury problems...
The Pierce curse. Kobe is more of true SG, which allows me to move Iggy to his natural SF spot. He is also a better ballhandler. Losing Cardinal will hurt, but he has not played that well this year. Glad to bring a quality player like Kobe to the Warriors. Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: Iverson2Korver43 on September 26, 2005, 02:45:52 AM Ouch... I thought Bucks could get alot more for Kobe...
Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: CelticsGM on September 26, 2005, 04:01:16 AM What I find rather amusing is the fact, that "what more he COULD have gotten" seems far more important to some than "does it make his team better, in the short run and/or in the long run (whichever is the goal)".
This said, I like the deal for the Warriors, as they get rid of a big big contract and get a replacement who should be able to get the same offensive output, just with great defense. But the deal also leaves them with a huge black hole at SF where Iggy, who hasn't proven anything in his career so far (despite numerous chances) and ... and ... well nobody have to take over. Don't get me wrong, I see Iggy as a defensive-minded borderline starter, but will he ever be more? They are a superior defensive team now, but I can't imagine them winning many more games this season or reach the playoffs. Next year? Let's see ... The Bucks had team with 4 great individual players but bad chemistry and little winning. So mixing things up was the logical move. But Pierce? The wandering turnover and bad-luck-guy? He's shooting roughly the same % as Kobe but he couldn't lift the Celtics, Bulls or Warriors near the playoffs. Let's hope he has some more years left cause in 4 seasons his contract will look REALLY bad. Cardinal is nice offense off the bench, nothing more, at a reasonable price, too. And since I doubt Donta will be a far less liability on SG, I'd expect an Eddie House revival soon (I mean this guy almost carried the Raptors to the title - well at least their season was lost after he went down, do you remember?). Winner of this deal? Wrong question. :? Do the Warriors win with this deal? Possibly, if Iggy proves to be adequate at SF. But they take a low risk here and improve their future cap situation. Do the Bucks win with this deal ? If their chemistry improves and they make a big run next year behind Ferry, Pierce, Davis and Okur, then yes. But there still are pieces missing and their future looks uncertain. 8) Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: PacersGM on September 26, 2005, 04:24:10 AM Quote from: CelticsGM What I find rather amusing is the fact, that "what more he COULD have gotten" seems far more important to some than "does it make his team better, in the short run and/or in the long run (whichever is the goal)". This said, I like the deal for the Warriors, as they get rid of a big big contract and get a replacement who should be able to get the same offensive output, just with great defense. But the deal also leaves them with a huge black hole at SF where Iggy, who hasn't proven anything in his career so far (despite numerous chances) and ... and ... well nobody have to take over. Don't get me wrong, I see Iggy as a defensive-minded borderline starter, but will he ever be more? They are a superior defensive team now, but I can't imagine them winning many more games this season or reach the playoffs. Next year? Let's see ... The Pistons had team with 4 great individual players but bad chemistry and little winning. So mixing things up was the logical move. But Pierce? The wandering turnover and bad-luck-guy? He's shooting roughly the same % as Kobe but he couldn't lift the Celtics, Bulls or Warriors near the playoffs. Let's hope he has some more years left cause in 4 seasons his contract will look REALLY bad. Cardinal is nice offense off the bench, nothing more, at a reasonable price, too. And since I doubt Donta will be a far less liability on SG, I'd expect an Eddie House revival soon (I mean this guy almost carried the Raptors to the title - well at least their season was lost after he went down, do you remember?). Winner of this deal? Wrong question. :? Do the Warriors win with this deal? Possibly, if Iggy proves to be adequate at SF. But they take a low risk here and improve their future cap situation. Do the Pistons win with this deal ? If their chemistry improves and they make a big run next year behind Ferry, Pierce, Davis and Okur, then yes. But there still are pieces missing and their future looks uncertain. 8) what an article... :roll: first it is bucks not pistons second kobe never avg. more than 15 pts on a team full of good scorers and pierce is the clear better scorer third with hinrich,swift and arajou you don´t need iggy to be more than a def minded SF. I really like the deal for the warriors since they get a better passer and defender than pierce. Pierce only proved in this league that he can score and don´t care about winning. I can also see the warriors win enough to reach the POs since the are in a very similar PO race like your Celtics. Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: CelticsGM on September 26, 2005, 04:45:27 AM Quote from: PacersGM what an article... :roll: first it is bucks not pistons second kobe never avg. more than 15 pts on a team full of good scorers and pierce is the clear better scorer third with hinrich,swift and arajou you don´t need iggy to be more than a def minded SF. I really like the deal for the warriors since they get a better passer and defender than pierce. Pierce only proved in this league that he can score and don´t care about winning. I can also see the warriors win enough to reach the POs since the are in a very similar PO race like your Celtics. Yeah, Bucks, guess I was still having the Pistons' "winner" post in mind ... But where's your problem with the rest of my post ? As I said, IF Iggy continues from last sim, he's might provide what they need there (staying on the floor for more than 30min sure would help too with little backup available). But he hasn't proven it consistently yet ... and that B- defense after 5 TC's has to account for something too (has anybody figured that out yet?). Additionally, I can't remember providing critizism of Kobe's or Pierce' offense ("same offensive output"), getting Kobe for Pierce is amazing. I do appreciate though you see the Celtics (and Warriors) in the playoffs ... :lol: Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: BullsGM-old on September 26, 2005, 07:23:20 AM Even for both teams
Hopefully Bucks can dodge the Pierce curse Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: GoldenStateGM on September 26, 2005, 08:36:04 AM The CelticGM is correct.
While Iggy had a great sim last sim at SF (much to my surprise, to be honest), I now have Kareem Longley and Don Ruffin as my SF back-ups. Ruffin did a very good job with the Clips last year at SF, but he is a natural PF. Kareem Longley is a little small, but he can pay some SF as well, as can Kobe in a pinch. But, as long as Iggy plays decently, and Araujo continues his revival, The Warriors should be OK. Between Hinrich, Kobe, and Iggy, I must have one of the better ball handling lineups at those positions. Too bad my big men cn abrley hold on to the rock. But, Pierce I still think Pierce may be cursed. We shall see how my injuries go without him. Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: BucksGM on September 26, 2005, 08:40:41 AM Quote But Pierce? The wandering turnover and bad-luck-guy? Casting the bad luck aside, Pierce only averages about .5 topg more than Kobe. It's not like going from Mikel Chamberlain to Baron Davis or something :) Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: CelticsGM on September 26, 2005, 08:56:28 AM memo to Warriors:
Not get overexcited, look at Iggy's competition last sim. There was one decent guy (Gooden) and a lot of not decent guys (KvH and employee#8 twice each, Donta Smith and Kirk Snyder). The jury's still out ... memo to Bucks: Pierce has a career average of close to 4.6 TOs a game (only with the Warriors this dropped to the current 3.7), Kobe averages around 2.7 which is MUCH less ... . Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: GoldenStateGM on September 26, 2005, 09:08:19 AM Quote from: CelticsGM memo to Warriors: Not get overexcited, look at Iggy's competition last sim. There was one decent guy (Gooden) and a lot of not decent guys (KvH and employee#8 twice each, Donta Smith and Kirk Snyder). The jury's still out ... . Don't rain on my parade!!!! :P Oh dear... Apparently is was before your time. But Keith "All Star" Van Horn is a multiple time All-Star. Iggy is effective against a specific type of offensive player, which is OK. But, I think more important then his defense, is that He and Araujo are tight. Pierce was always a little aloof (moving 3 times in the past 2 years might do that to you), but Rafael and Iggy have excellent on-court chemistry. Oppenents can shoot 47% against Iggy, as long as he helps get Araujo back to his old offensive form. Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: CelticsGM on September 26, 2005, 09:44:55 AM Quote from: GoldenStateGM Iggy is effective against a specific type of offensive player, which is OK. But, I think more important then his defense, is that He and Araujo are tight. Pierce was always a little aloof (moving 3 times in the past 2 years might do that to you), but Rafael and Iggy have excellent on-court chemistry. Not only on the court but off the court too. I heard Iggy and Hoffa quite often go to the movies and their wives spend a lot of time together at the same beauty farm. This is a deep friendship we're talking here, and I would deeply object trading either one without the other ! 8) Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: GoldenStateGM on September 26, 2005, 09:48:35 AM Quote from: CelticsGM Not only on the court but off the court too. I heard Iggy and Hoffa quite often go to the movies and their wives spend a lot of time together at the same beauty farm. This is a deep friendship we're talking here, and I would deeply object trading either one without the other ! 8) Lol... As they would agree. Rumor has it their wives are more then just "friends"... but the videos have yet to be released :wink: Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: CelticsGM on September 26, 2005, 09:53:27 AM Quote from: GoldenStateGM Quote from: CelticsGM Not only on the court but off the court too. I heard Iggy and Hoffa quite often go to the movies and their wives spend a lot of time together at the same beauty farm. This is a deep friendship we're talking here, and I would deeply object trading either one without the other ! 8) Lol... As they woud agree. Rumor has it their wives are more then just "friends"... but the videos have yet to be released :wink: Please, lets not discuss this in public. And for this deal, I guess we all know meanwhile that Pierce was seen at that beauty farm too, apparently only to pick up his fiance, but why did he stay there for 4 hours then ... So trading him was obvious, but do you realize what you brought back here with Kobster and his affectations ... :wink: Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: GoldenStateGM on September 26, 2005, 09:57:34 AM Quote from: CelticsGM Please, lets not discuss this in public. And for this deal, I guess we all know meanwhile that Pierce was seen at that beauty farm too, apparently only to pick up his fiance, but why did he stay there for 4 hours then ... So trading him was obvious, but do you realize what you brought back here with Kobster and his affectations ... :wink: Of course... Luckily, some of Araujo's Brazilian "visitors" will likely help out Kobe. also hooked him up with best jeweler in town, before he even arrived. Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: BucksGM on September 26, 2005, 01:38:50 PM I admit I'm surprised at the "consensus" that the Warriors won the trade, seeing as how Pierce is a bit better at rebounding and worse at handling.
Meanwhile I also got Brian Cardinal, who has B-/A-/B-. If you compare Cardinal to Peja, Peja's only one tick better in outside and handling. Other than that, they've got the same ratings. If people thought I could have done better for Kobe, where were the offers? :D Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: NetsGM on September 26, 2005, 01:49:30 PM I think the reason people are so fearful is the "pierce curse", which I didn't really believe in until this season, lol.
although the warriors have always been a little cursed. Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: GoldenStateGM on September 26, 2005, 02:07:19 PM Quote from: NetsGM I think the reason people are so fearful is the "pierce curse", which I didn't really believe in until this season, lol. although the warriors have always been a little cursed. Only way everyone else can keep up with my genius moves... lol :wink: I did not believe in the curse until this year, either... but now I do. His injuries are sporadic... But they seem to be contagious. Bt I ahve been slightly cursed... The Araujo injury last year was devastating to me, as was Hinrich's this year. Title: Bucks / Warriors Trade Post by: Iverson2Korver43 on September 26, 2005, 03:21:11 PM Notice how well the Bulls are doing this year...
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