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Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but I consider it a slap in the face when someone offers me a garbage trade, and then gets angry whe I don't accept.

Yesterday I was offered a bad trade.*

Anyway, I said to the guy, "as I'm sure you know, that's probanly the worst offer I have ever got, and you just wasted a few minutes of your life typing that out", thinking he already knew this and his response would have been "yea, I know :)" or something along that line.

Well.

He callled me a "dick" and an "asshole" saying that if I wasn't such a s-and-so, I would get more respect in this league, and people wouldn't talk "shit about me". Which brings me to the topic of this post...

Have I really been so bad that I have lost the respect of everyone? From a trading perspective I would have tought I'd have enough respect to not be offered garbage trades and then swore at because I didn't accept them.

But I'm talking about respect in general, as a fellow GM. I would consider most of you to be my friends, although none of us have ever met....but after 8 seasons with some of you, we've been through alot...but I don't have respect?

Was this otherGM right?

*removed by NetsGM to try to keep identity unknown.

Probably a good move there. Thanks. I'm not making this thread to offend anyone.

This league has so much damn drama, it's unbelieveable.

Raps, you have my respect, I see it that everyone has my respect until they do something to lose it.  And nobody in this league, including Raps, has offended me in anyway, so I respect everyone in this league.

Same thing crossed my mind several times. We've been together for a long time now, and still sometimes some people treat you like shit in their offers. I mean, what can i say? I recived offers with 2 backups and 3 second runders for Mcgrady?! What can i say more? I mean, you got have some decency and good manners not to do that.
But hey, people try, and i usualy respond with laugh or some humorous note. But it hurts, specially if you know you're the one of the most fair guys around. I've never raped anyone and all of my trades so far were more then a fair, where both teams had benefits. Actually, my main problem and concern is that league is getting pretty much onesided when it comes to trades. No one is interested in equal deals anymore (but also that may be only my perception). But that's fine, it's part of the bussines and is no big deal.

And Raps, i'm telling you this really honestly and in good will. The part of your problems (the one you mentioned) also has some fault on your side. Sometimes when you don't get what you want your responds are not friendly at all or in good manners. And alot of your offers are also pretty much one sided. People get provocated with such stuffs and then they react the way you described, although, off course, it's no excuss at all.

I don't really have a problem recieving bad offers. It's one way to negotiate - start big then drop off. What I have a problem with is when people get angry when bad trade offers aren't accepeted.

And i know I've caused some of the problems myself. But it's not when "I don't get what I want" it's when I feel like people are saying inappriopriate things about me.

And Kings, I ear ya about no one being interested in equa deals. It seems the precedent has been set with some very lopsided deals, and everyone is chasing them now.

You have my respect too, and one of the main reasons is how ood you are to talk trades with.

But te thing is, I've offended people and people have offended me, but I think everyone just needs to drop the grudges.

What purpose does it seve to "be mad" at someone you don't know, and will never meet?

Erm...can you get mad at someone talking on a phone? Even if you don't know him? I know i can. It doesn't matter if i'd never meet him in my whole life.

I think it's fine to "get mad" but where I come froming "being mad" is the same thing as holding a grudge.

And that just doesn't make sense.

Your response was more than a little inflamatory... I dislike getting terrible trade offers too, and I have to hold back from being insulting in my reply. Usually if an offer is really bad I just say, "No thanks", and leave it at that.

By the way, I respect you quite a bit. You are one of the better GMs out there, which is why I hesitate a little bit from dealing with you  :)

I respect everyone in this league as human beings.

We're not human beings anymore.  :P

I agree.  An inflammatory response begets an inflammatory comeback.  It was definitely an instigation, and you should have expected some venom.  I don't think you can expect someone not to react emotionally from something like that.

I can't remember the way I worded it, but it wasn't the same as the way I posted...I think it was more kidding around, which was my intent...but the response I got wasn't the reason I made this thread, I made it to see if I have an respect around here anymore,

What makes you think that we don't respect you?  It just because one person bad mouth you it doesn't mean that we don't respect you.

This otherGM TOLD me that no one i this league respects me.

I know that some do, but I have no idea if others d or not

respect goes both ways, if it's a horrible offer, well wha'trs so hard about a simple no thanks, some people value their players in different ways, and a lot of backups could be starters for some teams. Saying something is the most ridiculous offer you've ever seen has derogatory connotations no matter how you look at it. Regardless, we're lucky to have a lot of active GM's to keep leagues like this running which is RARE and i'm sure we should all hold enough respect towards each other to maintain what we have.

No need to keep the indentity unknown...  This is not the first time he he has acted like that in a response toward me...  I will admit that I was a little drunk(as I am right now, just got off work), but 99.9% of what I said was true based on my opinion of previous circumstances...  I have also been offered shit trades, but I don't not try to offend anyone...  I explain why the trade does my team no good...
   
   I will not explain the exact trade, but I believe is was somewhat what he explained he was looking for, for the players I was interested in(I guess it was wrong)...  Due to the cap and what he was looking for, it what I saw as fitting...  And was hoping he would be up for negotiations, and find a better way to make the trade work for both sides if he didn't like the first offer*(can't think of a different word for it right now, even though it wasn't an "offer")...

  RapsGM, I wasn't angry for you not accepting it, but it was more of the tone of your response...  And I didn't even bother reading your last PM,  I didn't need to see it before work...  And, what you stated in the first post is exactly what you said in the PM...  Also I did not called you an "asshole"(as a matter of fact, "asshole" was not even in the PM) or "dick"; I said, "That's just my opinion though so take it for what it's worth, and I could careless if it is worth nothing to you..."

I'm soryy that you took my response the way you did, it was meant as a joke, just look I thought your offer was.

You did call me a dick.

And I HATE when people use alcohol as an excuse. But that's none of my business.

I didn't mean to offend you and you didn't mea to offend me, so I think we can both move on.

And it sounds like I do have the respect of some GM's which is nice, it gves me a wam feeling inside...:)