SSBA

Sixers trade

SG Manu Ginobili
Philly 2011 1st rd pick

Celtics trade

PG Andre Miller
SG Kareem Ratliff
Celtics 2010 1st rd pick
Celtics 2012 1st rd pick

additionally (as stated below) Sixers cut Kyle "Air" Korver

OK.. I agree..

My reason is pretty obvious: I had no SG. And now I get one of the best.

Miller was the easiest to let go with the emergence of Elliott and Snow. Ratliff might hurt sometimes, he's still unfinished I believe.
And the pick was the price to pay (at least with the rebuilding of the sixers there's hope this 2011 pick could be lotto - which mine this year easily could be too  :wink: )

Sixers,

Did you just trade a 9.5ppg SG for a starter-quality PG, and nice youg SG and 2 likely lotto picks?

Damn.

My reason:

Im in a rebuilding mode. And im too busy to add more explanations.

Not really..

Manu wasnt an option this sim 1. Its computer recommended and it listed "TD. Houbregs. Ernest Austin" as its scorers.

And manu has a very good ratings. He's a complete player who can give you 12ppg 4.5rpg and 5.6apg with 2.4spg. Plus the fact that im rebuilding, i think my 2011's 1strounder holds value.

likely lotto picks ? You forget
 - I lost on a playoff birth last year on a tiebreaker
 - Field exactly the same team (minus Dre I had for 3 sims) plus Manu
 - Had a great (and i mean great) TC

 and don't play the Raps 82 games a season  :lol:

Sixers would like to cut Korver to make the deal work

Curry, Jefferson, Radmanovich, Ginobili, Snow/Elliot could be a playoff team this year.  I love Manu.  This is a guy who last year gave you 12 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 4.5 apg, and as man steals as turnovers from the 2 spot.  Shoots 40% from 3, 44% from the field.

And, of course, he better make the playoffs, because 2 lotto firsts would be an awful lot to give up.

Guys, this second pick is a swap with the sixers pick. I actually might have improved lotto position here with obtaining that 2011 76ers pick.

But right now, a team of TD, Tanner, George/Terp, Dre and Arroyo is still good enough for a playoff push ...

Sorry for being stupid, but does the 1st rounder have a 60 day rule?

lol.

no.

Did you miss the fact that in the 1st sim you went 1-6 and got outscored by almost 14 ppg?

Well, no. But it doesn't concern me too much.

If I'm 3-15  after sim 3 i'd be concerned (on the other side, with 7 of my next 11 on the road a possibility)

WOW..sixers did it again  :wink:  manu is over rated... the two 1st rounder is a bit harsh....even if manu is in your lineup...its pretty hard to imagine you being in the playoffs coz nobody can score for you.... :?

CONGRATZ to the SIXERS for doing a FINE JOB  :shock:

Curry 16ppg
Al jefferson 11ppg
radman 16ppg
ginobili 12ppg (when he was an option)
Elliot 8ppg and 6apg

It might not be one of the best in the league, but it does deserve a play-off run.

And guys, don't worry. No one HAS to score big for me to win games, I do it by holding teams down defensively. And I even got better in this regard now ...

And before you all rip me how opposing points are having their way with Rocky: yo, relax, give him some time. This guy is a rookie actually just playing his first seven games. He'll be o.k.  8)

lol

nice trade sixers

This trade is all about the playoffs.

If the Celtics can make the playoffs, this is an good trade for them.

If the Celtics do not make the playoffs, this is a great trade for the Sixers.  One and possibly two lottery picks.  Of course, the Sixers could very well be in the lottery next year as well, if Duncan goes on an injury spree, like he did earlier in his SSBA career.  Without Duncan, the Sixers have no scoring at all.

It seems the Sixers are giving up their championship hopes by trading Manu.  Without anyone to guard Carmello and Pettit, they are sunk.

Ouch!

Lol...  Your next best offensive player after Duncan is probably now Terpening or Tanner.  Might be tough to score... Just feed Duncan the ball 40 times a game though...

Love it for the Sixers even if the C's somehw squeeze into the plaoffs (let's not forget that hey started 1-6, and manu isn't exactly a franchise player to turn things around). This draft is stacked with talent thorugh the first 2 picks.

manu couldn´t defend carmelo so that wouldn´t make any difference at all for the sixers.
And i can´t see a real diff if the celtics make the POs or fail short the pick will be around 12-15 and this a lot for a guy like manu.

in mosts drafts a 15th pick rarely turns into more than a bench player.  Unless one of the picks becomes top 10, I don't see the Sixers getting anything more than solid bench depth from the picks, and not replacing Manu.

It's funny, how different he opinions are on Manu.
Some think he is overrrated, and some think he is underrated (myself included)

Manu is a solid 3rd option or outstanding non-option....but his numbers usually go down when asked to be the second or first option.

So how he performs depends a lot on the team around him.

Manu is a solid player but no star like some here claim.
he is something like battier or fisher on their positions but i can´t see anyone offering two first for them.

I don't think anyone here claimed he was a star.

And whether or not you think it's overpaying depends on your opinion of first round picks

I think the fact that the C's gave up that much means they must think he is a star.

Wat gets lost in all this is the fact that Andre Miller is a realy good PG.

While I like Andre Miller, he was a spare player for the Celtics.

A defense for a SG/SF is not easy to find.  There are six true swingmen with that ranking.  And top it off with a guy who can shoot for really good percentages.  If he was 27, this is a no brainer.

Manu is a good all-around player, kind of what he is in the real league. He is a good defensive player, based on opponent's sg ppg. And he is also a good ball theft.

I did the deal because like what raptorsGM believed, the pick might turn into something valuable.

Well, since that draft pick discussion never stops, I decided to take a look at the past drafts:

2009: (Way too early to tell)
Taken between 11-20: Palacio, Holton, Robertson, Davies, Abdul-Wahad, Keefe, Ahye, Hyatt, P. Maggette, Lucas
Starter: none (possibly Palacio, Paul Maggette)
To prospects taken later: ?

2008:
Taken between 11-20: Ward, Micah Hunter, Fletcher, Schwartz, Zollner, Springs, Profit, Fauber, Elliott, Monroe
Starter: Fletcher (possibly Ward & Elliott)
To prospects taken later: A. Rouseau

2007
Taken between 11-20: Hinkle, Austin, Curran, Evan Lo, Stockton, Beardslee, Bellamy, Sapp, Templeton, Geiger
Starter: None
To prospects taken later: J. Duncan, M. Bird

2006
Taken between 11-20: Hobson, Crotty, Cunningham, H. Strickland, Havlicek, Meyers, Collier, Luisetti, T. Kundla, Conrad
Starter: Havlicek, Kundla
To prospects taken later: Van Exel, Del Negro, Chamberlain, Lovelette


So what does that mean: The 3 drafts from 2006 to 2008 (forget about the 2009 now) produced AFTER pick #10 exactly 5 starters: Havlicek, Kundla, Chamberlain, Del Negro and Fletcher. Only Hav can be considered a star as of now with Chamberlain and Kundla close behind

So the chances to find a player who can become a starter WITHIN 2-3 YEARS (let alone a star) after pick 10 are very slim. One or two each draft. A grand total of 5 among 90 picks (counting pick #11 in rd.1 to #10 in rd.2)

This is NOT EXACTLY overwhelming, this is downright FRIGHTNING !!!

C's o 1-6 with Manu and now have the worst record in the league.

Amazing trade, Sixers.

Well, Manu was out most of that sim.

Plus he lost two 1 pt games.

Still, 1 games under is a big hole to climb out of

only 1 game under, huh.  That's not that bad of a hole.

You know, speaking of holes, you are one kind.

mid 1st=ridiculous :D