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Bulls Trade:

Marko Jaric
Corey Hoiberg
Bo Outlaw
Bulls '10 First

for

Jamal Crawford

I agree. Reasons after Bulls agree

Edited to add that I cut Eric Snow & Darius Songaila to make it work (posted in the appropriate thread)

EDIT to agree to Bo Outlaw instead of Brian Cook

*BO OUTLAW SIGNED INSTEAD OF BRIAN COOK*

I agree

Essentially, I traded my '10 1rst (which could still be very high) for Crawford as Jaric wasn't going to play because of Mercer/Fab, Hoiberg wasn't going to play because of Palacio/Turk/Hinkle and Cook was a filler I just signed.  Jaric was an expiring contract but I won't have any cap for a while after I resign (hopefully) Mercer and Griffin

Crawford is going to be the 3rd scorer on this team now that Pierce is gone.  If it doesn't work out with Crawford, his contract is still relatively short, so I have some leeway there.  I think my team is in decent shape, I got some good young talent, solid vets, and good developing talent

I did this trade for 2 major reasons - to get most of Crawford's salary off the books by the end of this year (thus giving me even more cap space then I was already going to have) and to get younger for my rebuilding process.

The Bulls pick could still be lotto (not likely but they do seem to have bad luck) and I also get a decent young SF prospect in Hoiberg - who fits perfectly into the outside focused offense that I am looking to build.

I was quite disappointed in Crawford the last two seasons. For a guy that I was looking to build around, he always underacheived for me. Perhaps it was our terrible team or the offense that we ran but he never quite fit in the way his ratings would suggest. Perhaps that will change with the Bulls and make me look like a fool, but I was never very pleased with him and at least I got some potential pieces out of him.

Works for both teams.
Knicks get a likely lottery pick, and some more cap space.


Bulls get a nice scorer, who will probably play best as a 3rd option.  Gives the Bulls one of the shortest backcourts in the league.  :D

Well Crawford is 6'5'' which isn't bad for a SG, but I think I'll have the lightest backcourt in the league.  An average weight of 188 lbs

Small backcourt?

Earl at 5'5" and Pettit at 6'4" easily beats that.

Dude, Earl Boykins is 133 lbs.

133.

Dude, this is not something I'm competing for.  It's not like I double checked each roster to make sure my statement was correct  :wink:

We can trade backcourts if you want, like they say, you can't teach size  :lol:

And yet, Earl Boykins, the incredible 31 year old, goes up 3 abilities...
Just ridiculous.
I am putting a wind machine near the court when I play the nets, hopefully it will knock him off balance.

well, as long as earl doesn't turn the ball over when you knock him over...

wonder how boykins will play against 6'7 Livingston...
Well, Bods probably has all the stats on that already  :?  :P

I will use the wind machine to keep him from crossing half court in time...
 
And that was the last comment for this current thread hijacking.

Knicks now will have 25-30 million in cap space next year.  Along with two draft picks, one guaranteed lottery pick.

A nice new start is coming for the Knicks.

haha, it's like NBA Jam...
Am I dating myself with that reference?

NBA Jam > NBA Live + 2K series

I LOVED nba jam.

this is what makes emulators so great.

You just can't have the same experience on an emulator though, you have to play it at the arcade or on the SNES

Well, I disagree.  As long as you have a good controller.

Or, get an snes emulator for the dc/xbox/ps2 and play it on there :)

Yeah, I was thinking about soft modding my Xbox a few years ago but there's no point now, I rarely play it.

As for emulator vs console/arcade, you can have a good controller but it's not as fun if you don't have someone playing with you.  Having one person use the keyboard and one person use a controller sucks

both zsnes and snes9x have netplay features.

BTW, this thread has now officially been hijacked TWICE.

Anyway (going back to my first hijacking), if I think I have one downfall, it will be my overall small lineup (6'10" center, 6'4" sg, 5'5" pg).

I haven't tried it, but I'm sure it doesn't have voice recognition (maybe I'm wrong though).  It wouldn't be as fun as playing in the same room on a console

Eh, it depends on the game, really.  I agree NBA Jam wouldn't be the same, but there are many other games that are now infinitely more replayable.

Well back to the Craw trade, I don't think it's set in stone that I'll be lotto anymore, although it's still likely.  I got alot of depth now.  If Palacio lives up to his ratings, Craw returns to 19 ppg form, Griff has another steady season as a 3rd option, and Mercer gets those turnovers down, I think I can sneak in.  Tractor will be huge off the bench again with B+, B+ def/reb and Turk should do fine when given minutes.  I'm also looking for another monster defensive season from Anderson

Bulls might have the talent for a playoff team, but the east is stacked.

Nets, Hornets, Pacers I think are 3 locks.  I still think Magic and 76ers would be ahead of Bulls.  As are the Raptors, with Deng's explosion.  And probably the Wizards.

That leaves 1 spot between the Heat, Celtics, Pistons, Bulls, Cavs and last years playoff team, Bucks.

Gonna be tough.

I rank myself ahead of the Heat, Celtics, the Pistons (after Stan Mannings TC).  I think the final spot will come down to the Bucks, Cavs (depends on how well Keogan plays and how Vince does at the 3) and myself.  The Bucks could be a defensive liability with Ferry at B, Smith at B- and Nash at C+ but they still have a solid team

Well, since the game does not care about height unless it deals with inside defense, should not make a difference.
And the 6'10" center was the defensive player of the year, who just got better at defense and rebounding....  ***shudder***

Both divisions are pretty tought at this point.
But a perimeter attach with Mercer and Crawford might be very efective.  very few teasm have really good defenders at PG and SG...

Celtics raises a good point in the signings thread....Cook was signed by Heat first.  So Bulls can't sign him for this trade.

offense too.

Makes sense, no?  If you become a more effective defender if you're bigger, then an offensive player going against a bigger defensive player will be less effective ;)

Bulls need to sign someone new.

EDIT: Spurs, got ya

Does make sense....  But 6'7" Livingston guarding 5'5" Boykins should also interfere with Boykins outside game.  Tough to shoot when you cannot see the hoop.

And we have no official confirmation that it doesn't.

All i've heard heavyreign say is that height does matter, we do not know exactly how it matters.

Well I asked KnicksGM who I should sign  and he said Cook, I don't know if he really cares who the filler was.

I think I'll wait an hour for him to respond, if he wants a specific player he can tell me.  I wonder if he would mind if I just signed anyone?

Lol...  look at Boykins.. he has played above his abilities for the last couple seasons, when his height should be having him play below his abilities.  Same with Mercer, and Havlicek has played probably up to his abilities...

I read on the FBB boards that he said t only matters for inside play.

I've seen Heavyreign's post, height does matter when it comes down to inside play

Hey, singh, do my a favour and post exactly what I posted.



Oh, oh wait! You already did ;)

Hey, trev, do me a favour and learn to type

Oh, oh wait! You can't  :wink:

SO I'll wait 10 more minutes for Knicks to log on, I want to get this trade processed before Nets runs the sim.  

Cook was a filler, so I don't think he'll care if I sign someone else.  I'll sign a big man though, since it looked like he prefered them

Ohh...hey, that's low ;)

Alright, I signed Bo Outlaw, he'll be the replacement filler

My best judgement tells me not to allow this since he didn't agree with it, but I will anyway.

Well this is how it pretty much went regarding the filler:  The original deal was just Jaric, Hoiberg, Bulls 1rst for Craw.  We found out we were short, so I had to cut Molina and sign a FA.  He said to sign one and then I asked if he had anyone in mind since it was going to be his player.  He chose Cook.  So I don't think he'll have a problem with it, since I was originally supposed to sign any FA that had 4 years of experience or more

Still doesn't work.

Marko Jaric was acquired on day 170 and cannot be traded until day 31.

Hmmm.....I'm fine with Outlaw but I don't know how we'll get around the whole Jaric thing

Looks like we'll have to wait it out.  Knicks, if you find a better offer until day 31, then you can go ahead with it.  I won't make you wait, we both weren't aware about the 60 day rule on this one

You know, technically, Bo outlaw has now been signed without being signed and traded and knicks didn't tell me who to cut (since songaila and snow were cut when this was supposed to be done.