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Nets, is it ok to send MLE to guys like Nelson, Gordon, Billups etc.? I know that's extra job for you and the chances to sign them are very slim, but we have to try right?

Personally, I think all teams should be limited to 5 MLE offers and 5 LLE offers....
That way, everyone has to put some thought into who they decide to make an offer to, instead of just choosing everyone....

I don't think that's the right number. There are 30 teams out there and to limit offers to only 5 players is not fair IMO. Cause bassically, most of the teams would be looking for the same (read best) players.

And that is exectly why is should be limited....
If you want to spend for MLE offers on Boykins, Billups, Carter, Gordon and Jameer, that is your right...  But the fact is, you know there is practically no way those players are coming to your team.

Risk vs reward.  You will be forced to balance to possibility of getting a star, while also missing out on getting a lesser player that is more likely to come to your team.  That is the real way the NBA works...   You have seen it in the Michael Finley sweepstakes this year. (Won by the Spurs, BTW)

I think 5 is too small a number for teams without specific needs.

I sent 9 each of MLE and LLE.

That would lead into alot of good players left on the market and when i said about being unfair i though about signing those players by the first team (s) who's online at that time. GM's who are working, at school or guys who's on the other side of the world (Clippers, Celtics, Hornets, myself etc would suck cause of the time diferential) would end up with no signings what so ever.

If it left a lot of good players on the market, that would mean that alot of people make very bad decisions in free agency...

There have never been good players left on the market after free agency.
And, besides the folks who cannot use up their cap space within the first three days, typically, most MLE offers are filled within the first 3 days.

Like I said, it would make you think.  What player would you like, that not everyone else will be going for?

Let's say on average there are 5 teams with cap space...  In the first day of free agency, that leaves 24 teams competing for MLE players.
After Day 1, 10 teams have used their MLE, and let's assume all the cap space teams are now over the cap.  Now, 20 teams are competing for MLE players.
After Day 2, Let's say 7 teams use up their MLE.  Now we have 13 players competing for the MLE players on Day 3...  and so on...

"There have never been good players left on the market after free agency."

Yes, beacuse there were more offers then 5 for each team.

No argument with the analysis, just a smarthy comment on one sentence???

If the limit was 7, that would be OK as well.  But 10 and 15 are, imo, ridiculous.  Got pretty dry after Day 2, if you ask me.   Collier was really the only signing of note.

Last Years day 3 MLE signings
2008 183 Bucks Sign C Jason Collier for $4,500,000 over one year.
2008 183 Pacers Sign PG Anthony Johnson for $4,500,000 over one year.
2008 183 Heat Sign PF Al Harrington for $4,500,000 over one year.
2008 183 Raptors Sign SF Chris Crawford for $4,500,000 over one year.
2008 183 Nuggets Sign C Zaza Pachulia for $4,500,000 over one year.  
2008 183 Lakers Sign SF Gerald Wallace for $4,500,000 over one year.

Day 4 signings
2008 184 Rockets Sign PG Damon Stoudamire for $4,500,000 over one year.
2008 184 Nets Sign PG Cameron MacLean for $4,500,000 over one year.
2008 184 Pistons Sign SG Derek Anderson for $4,500,000 over one year.

Day 5
2008 185 Spurs Sign SG Jerry Stackhouse for $4,500,000 over one year.

I will not enter in MLE offers for Gordon, that´s a waste of my time.

And, frankly, if Billups turns down my offer that´s almost 3x the MLE, I´d vomit.

IMO 5 is a good number.  Afterall we are talking about 5 MLE, 5 LLE, and any offers of minimum as well as offers to your own FAs.  That could lead to 300+ (29 * 11 = 319) entries that Bods has to make for day 1.

If everyone chases the same 5 then I will be more likely to get who I want as I'm not looking for a starter with the MLE.  In the past I ususally only send out 2-3 as there aren't that many I really want on my team.

And since there are 5 days after the top 5 are signed you submit a revised list.  Sounds pretty simple to me.

Alright, that's ok i think. We'll choose the players and you just don't enter the ones you think it's your waste of time (altough even that makes your job harder).

Warriors, i didn't meant to disregard your argument by my short sentence. It was just a note. I'm little short on time (gotta play cards for $$) and little sleepy after work, nothing more.

S'all good...  I enjoy a healthy debate   :P

I would honestly not be suprised if an older player took a MLE offer from a high win rating team...rather than a large money offer from a lower win rating team.


In the case of Gordon, he probably has large money offers from teams like the Nets, and therefore MLE offers are a bit of a waste of time.

And yet you still made one (scratches head)

Sure, and who wouldn't, considering you only just said you were not going to enter them.

I'm refuse to not offer a player a contract on the premise that another team is supposedly offering more money.

Don't forget that you are the only one that has seen the bids so far - I haven't. I have no way of knowing that Gordon has better offers than the MLE.

Actually, I have been entering bids for Gordon.  It's just ridiculous, IMO.

You have no way of knowing only if you have no common sense.

I never said it wasn't a resonable assumption to make that Gordon will get offers bigger than the MLE.

But I'm not going to make assumptions.

limiting MLE off would be ideal for commishes, but I don't think it would be ideal for GM's.

The idea for free agency is to give team under the cap, "SOMEHOW" a fair chance to sign solid players. Limiting offers is like putting a handcuff on GMs. IMO

No, It would just mean it would take more thought and less "let me list every guy I want".

Bottom line is I think it takes away freedom from a SSBA GM that a real NBA GM has.

One of the reasons this league has lasted so long is because of how close it is to being an actual GM in the NBA.

There are no restrictions on BK as to how many FA's he contacts. And he contacts lots of them that he has no chance at signing (Finley).

But if a GM is under the cap then he shouldn't be sending in loads of MLE offers.   :?:   Anyway we are not talking only 5 offers from each GM but limitiing the number of each type of offer.  Only 5 MLE offers.  Only 5 LLE offers.  And I would say only 5 minimum offers.  As far as offers for anything over the MLE then GMs who have the cap space should be able to make more....but is there more than 6-7 FAs who are worth more than the MLE?

If betweeen the quality of players and your team needs you can't narrow your choices down to 5 MLE offers then it should be your problem as GM.  To the far extreme someone who is 4 deep at say SG could have made MLE offers to several SGs but why?

By not limiting choices it makes it easier to be a GM....just look down the FA list and offer the MLE to every player who is above average.  A limit makes the GM have to put thought into their decision.  I

-Of course he shouldn't be sending MLE offers if he is under the cap (by more than 4.5 mil). He doesn't have the MLE to spend.

-There were a TON more FA's who were worth more than the MLE this year.

-limiting the offers is fine for a GM that is only 4 deep, but for teams that have depth everywhere, like I did this year, you just want to get the most talent possible.

I sent 9 MLE offers and 9 LLE offers. I don't think this is an outrageous number.

In the end, it's Bods call, of course. But I don't agree with limiting offers.

Um....at one point in the nba can billy king offer the MLE to 15 different players simultaneously and have no barring and chosing which one of those 15 sign?

Unfortunately our FA is probably the least realistic of any portion of this league.

Yes, that's true. He has to make offers one at a time, to see if they will accept....meaning we could spend about 50 days doing Fa alone.


You're right.

the fact of the matter is that if you send 30 MLE offers, you're hurting yourself (as you become less targetted in who you'll get), AND it's a colossal waste of my time (30 offers x 29 teams = an assload of time).