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I had this idea going on for a while although i'm sure the Commish won't like it. I'm little sad to see how time goes fast here and some of the great players are getting old over night (and no, i'm not saying this only cause of mcgrady, although i can't belive his career will probably be over for like half a year or so :( ). I would really like for players to be younger for some longer period of time then it is now. I was thinking, could we slow down the age? For example, 2 seasons - 1 year older or something like that? Or any other way possible?

Thoughts?

:bs: That's why the draft is for.  End of the discussion next topic please. :cheers:

these are years played.   Age is in direct correspondence with # of years a team plays.

If we slow down aging, then players play longer, then the amount of talent in the league doubles, and it throws everything out of whack.

So...no.

The only viable option would be to slow down how fast we sim.   And I'm sure people won't be happy about that.

if it ain't broke don't fix it, i say keep everything the same

As the Kings age rapidly...  8)

Ah...to have a team with no one over the age of 30.  Can't trust them old farts anyway.    :lol:

Ah, that would be awesome, having Yao for twice as many years.. :)

that was definitely a strange idea.

Or we could throw some kind of a retro draft...bring guys like Tim Hardaway, Isiah Thomas, Drazen Petrovic, Kevin Johnson, Charles Barkley, Wilkins etc?? :P . That would be fun.

p.s. Just NO MJ

I could see doing a retro draft once.

but it would be tough to balance real life attributes while trying to keep the talent level in the league balanced.

You could take the next draft and change everyones name to a retro player and not worry about attributes...

Great idea

Is it possible to download a retro roster FBB draft file?  I thought I saw something like that on the FBB site one time

There are.

But they are generally much higher rated than our current players.

I say...If it ain't broke, then don't fix it.  Stick with the computer generated draft picks.

There have been good drafts and there have been bad drafts.  That's the way it goes in any sport.

I agree.

i concur

What I would probably do is just find people that resemble, say, Patrick Ewing, and change the name and College, and that's it.

We would end up in countless discussions why this rating is to high and that rating is to low and so on


Using Bods "similar ratings" approach is the only way to avoid this but
- don't expect to see the "real" retro guys reappearing then. (Pat Ewing 2 might turn out more Billy Joe Kim than Oscar Ferry)
- don't manually twitch a single rating ... there's no way stopping this

- and, please, don't forget these retro guys came in like 12-15 drafts, not in ONE !

Look at this years draft class.  Most of the top players taken have dropped in ratings after TC.  A draft is supposed to help rebuild a losing team, but these drafts aren't producing franchise players (although a few come along every X amount of years).  Each draft needs a franchise player, a superstar, so I wouldn't mind doing this 'retro' draft with players that are better than usual

Garrett Pettitt
Oscar Ferry
Nicklaus English
Trent Kundla
Vince Keogan

Those are just names off the top of my head.  There are as many superstar-caliber players coming out of the draft  as there are in the real NBA.  You just have to have the patience to see it over the course of a few years.

I wouldn't consider Ferry an elite player, look at his ratings after TC...  Vince Keogan's ratings are almost the same as Michael Redd's last season...  I think Pettit is the only "True" superstar to come out of one of these drafts and usually u find more than 1 in 3 drafts in the NBA...

Please !

I know you're biased but what has Kundla to do with this list ? He's got nice ratings and is a better than average player, but I wouldn't consider a guy a star, much less a franchise player, who produced career averages of 9/4/3 - and two (2) double-doubles - in his first 3 years in this league.
 :)

All Defense First Team last year.  I'll take it.  Plus, those names were off the top of my head.

Others...
Patrick Gatling
Mason Mercer
Mikel Chamberlain (second round!)
Troy Havlicek


name the elite franchise players from the past three NBA drafts?  I'll bet you cannot name more than a half-dozen.

Also when you are dreaming of these retro players are you considering their skills when they entered the NBA or when they were at their career peaks?

Most of them developed over a few seasons.  Very few were 19-22 year old superstars as rookies.  Even MJ would have been much lower as a rookie then when he was leading the BUlls to several titles.

I wonder if people even read what I type?

But my point is still valid (if your comment was directed at me)....would you use Ewings ratings as a rookie for comparison or his ratings as a 10 year veteran?  Or are you just talking height & weight?

But ultimately if I had a vote I would vote for no doctoring of the computer generated draft lists.

My post was directed to everybody's discussion about the strength's/weaknesses of the drafts and said worrying about me editing the players.

This has been a discussion we've had in my past.  I'm still a little worried about the talent level entering the league.  This draft had previously eased my fears of that, but after TC it's not looking that much better.  But that's not the discusison i'm having at this time.  

Changing the names would just be done to add a little bit of retro "hey, that's neat to this league".  I don't think it would need to be too liberal, because with the # of quality draftees, I don't think we could find any one draftee who would have the exact attributes of a David Robinson at any point in his career, when he entered the league or in his prime.  My biggest fear is that people would take these names TOO literal.  It's really just to alleviate the problem of having 16 guys with the last name of Tsakalidis in the league.

Well I guess I didn't understand the concept then.  I thought you would have a retro draft, with players that naturally have better ratings than most drafts, and change their names

Sonics, from that list, only Pettit and English and maybe Gatling (Vince is still unproven) are franchise changing players.  While Ferry and Mercer are amazing, they are not at the same level.

I am also starting to get a little worried about the drafts.

However, part of the problem is that lots of the lower end teams are trading away their nice draft picks. It's nice that some Gms have confidence that they will be able to turn things around, but some teams should simply be more conservative with their picks.

But that poses a dilemma....if the drafts are considered poor then keeping one's draft picks are not the way to improve.  

I still think it is too early to judge the drafts.  Not even all of the first draft have really reached their prime yet.  I still have 4 players from that draft and their ages are 23, 25, 26, 26.  One still has A potential and two of the others are solid bench players.

I think the draft is actually doing a decent job of churning out decent role players later in the draft, but i'm still questioning whether even all-star talents, let alone franchise players, are coming out of the top of the draft (or anywhere in the draft).  

And I'm not counting the first draft when I'm talking about this, since the first draft was hardwired into the game, not computer generated.

You don't have a franchise level player going 9th like Amare Stoudemire.  There's no shot of turning your team around with the #5 pick (Wade).  It just doesn't happen.

The only even possible all-stars coming out are top picks (English, Keogan, Gatling).  And even those I wouldn't consider sure-fire franchise players (although english is looking it, at least ratings wise, but even that's in a talent filled pg position that's easily replacable).

But, I repeat, that's not what this thread is about.

I think that you will see over the next few years players turn into elite players.

Think Tracy McGrady.  He was ok in Toronto...showed flashes, but wasn't an elite player.  He moved to Orlando and became an elite player in his 5th or 6th season.

Kobe did the same.  There are countless players who need a few years to develop...the key word being develop...to become stars.  Remember, we are still relatively not-that-far into the sim.

Let these guys develop.  Many of them are becoming solid players.  A few have already reached excellence level (English, Pettitt, even second-round Chamberlain).  Let these guys get to age 27-30, and I think that you will see some superstars.

That's my point.

Part of the problem may be the old sim.  Having looked at the players you guys had, there were probably 5-10 players who were better then the players in our current sim.

Plus, Boykins of the Mavs still has a chance to be a real special player at PF.  And this last draft, and the next one, have had some decent centers.  These guys still have to develop.

You can't compare NBA development to development in the NBA.  In sim leagues improvment usually takes place on a numerical basis, if you have A potential you're more likely to improve.  In the pro's there are other elements that alter a players progression (mental and physical change).  Also, by the age of 27-30 most players lose their potential (in sim leagues), they're stats are usually pretty stable after their rookie contracts are up

Exactly my point.  You have to let them develop to their abilities before they plateau.  Watch out, for example, in 7 years when Stan Manning has had the chance to gain a point here and there each TC.  when his development is over (say at age 27) he will be a very good PF in this league, if not a star.  The point is that patience is needed for the past, current and future draft classes.

I agree with the Sonics & disagree with the Bulls.  There are several players with C or even a few D potential that are still improving between the ages of 27-31.  Look at Boykins in this past TC.  Or Speedy Claxton from my team.  Potential may not change after their first four years but that doesn't mean that their ratings won't change....and we can't even find out for sure until after a couple more TC.  The very first draft is just finishing their rookie contracts this season.

And guys, never forget this is SCOUTED potential.

Actually doesn't mean anything for TC, just gives you an idea what MIGHT happen ... or not.