SSBA

Some very interesting matchups. Both, in the East and in the West. Let start with the
EASTERN CONFERENCE;

1. Raptors
8. Bucks

Clean sweep and most predictable first round matchup. The Bucks might steal a game which could be a big succes for them, considering they're were one of the worst teams in the league last year.

2. Nets
7. Wizards
With AI out for the whole series, the Wizards really don't have a chance. Nets in 4.

3. Hornets
6. Sixers

Not even Timmy boy will help the Sixers to pass the red hot Hornets. I consider the Hornets the best team in the East and maybe the 2nd best team overall. Hornets in 5 or 6 the most.

4. Pacers
5. Magic
The most unpredictable matchup in the first round. Major injuries striked both the Pacers as well as Magic, with main stars Jermaine O'Neal and Ray Allen out for the entire series. Tough call, but cause of Indy's great bench i'd say Pacers in 7.

WESTERN CONFERENCE;

1. LA Clippers
8. Wolves
I don't see anyone stopping the Clips this year. They're young, they're healthy, they have everything. Inside, outside, you name it. Clips in 5.

2. Mavs
7. Suns
Could Mavs face another earlie exit? The surging Suns finished the season with 6-0 sim and are curently the hotest team around. Very interesting matchup with several big names like Shaq, Nowitzki, Lebron, Magloire facing each other head to head. Hm...hard to tell, but i say Mavs in 6.

3. Kings
6. Golden State
Mighty Kings ( :) ) facing Hoffa - less Wariorrs. I don't want to jinx anything so i'm not going to analize this matchup.

4. Nuggets
5. Jazz
Strugling champs facing one of the best teams in the league the Denver Nuggets. The Nuggets are very like the Clips. They have no holes and have great ballanced starting five, capable of both, defending and scoring at will. Nuggets in 6.

I don't know who is hotter but I think the Mavs finished the season on a 7-0 sim. :cheers:

I think the Clippers ending 14-0 run makes them the hottest team right now.....

iverson won't be out the entire series.  7 days, not games.

and o'neal is only out 1.

Ooops, i must have missread something...I was doing that at work, so one eye was on the screen and the other was on the boss.

Indeed, thanks Spurs. I hope the team can carry this throughout the playoffs!

The name timmy boy is so queer. Thats all i can say..

Haha..sorry Sixers :)

By the way, thanks for the confidence KingsGM! I hope you are right about "no team being able to stop the Clippers this year"!

Oh shut up, your team is just disguasting... :x


 :wink:

Any chance a big name hornets player gets injured before they play against me? Im willing to give a 1st rounder.

oh my god.

i'm stunned.

flat out stunned.

Fuck.

I lost.

not only you.

Wow..

Thats all I can say

That's outrageous.

I'll reserve my comments until after I see the box scores.

ouch, well, I would be angrier if I were the Raptors.

I think these results show just how crazy the FBB playoffs can be. It's pretty annoying, really.

Ouch.
http://ssba.phillyarena.net/boxes/126-7.html

Why do I even bother playing when FBB continually takes a big shit in my face come playoff time?

BucksGM, I'm going to ask you to understand that I don't mean to offend you in any way, but IMO you were NOT a worthy winner of this series. My team was far superior to yours.

The first year of the new SSBA, the Heat won it all ,and that was great, since they were the best team. Since then, I have not seen a top team win it in all my experience with FBB. What incentive do I have to build a dominate team if I am always going to lose in the Playoffs. How can the bucks beat the Raptors? How does that happen? Bottom line, it doesn't.

This program is just fucked. It always misses on all-star invites, and awards, but now it seems to just flat out miss on games too.

I'm not sure what to think right now. As soon as I realized I lost, I said "That's it, I quit". Because really, I put way to much time into this sim to lose in the playoffs every year. I enjoy this too much to quit. That would be an irrational solution. But the results are not worth the time that I put into it.

I'm strongly considering just breaking up my team and building fresh around Yao.

How does Okur hold Yao to just 6 rebounds in 39 minutes in game 4? Yao has 7 inches on Okur.

How do the Bucks, in the lower half defense wise in the League, hold the Raptors, (top 4 offense) to 72 points on 32% shooting (Raps led the league in shooting percentage) in game 6?

How do the Bucks shoot 51% in game 7 at the ACC against the best defensive team?


Things like this just shouldn't happen. I'm beginning to think that the key to building a successful team in FBB is to build one that is medicore, build one that is just good enough to get by.

I'm going to strongly consider all offers for all players except Yao.

Wow.. Its a pretty weird play-offs so far.

I really didnt expect to win the series against the hornets, although i know that i did have a good chance of beating them with my solid frontcourt.

LOL, I find if funny that you just echoed my sentiments exactly, even before I posted them.

Bucks were the only team, IMO, with a chance to beat the Raptors.

They have C+ and C outside pf and c's.  That equals great midrange games (and in Okur's case, 3 pt range).  The Raptors bigs probably aren't all that mobile (7'6", 310lbs and 7'0", 265), nor that great of perimeter defenders.  Raptors putting Yao as 3rd string pf probably didn't help.

Then the Bucks get most of their scoring from the perimeter in Smith (going up against a b- defender) and Kobe (going up against a B defender).  And their pg in Tinsley is one of the best ball thiefts (2.1 spg) going up against one of the worst pg's in the league at turnovers (4.3 per game).

This may be a stretch, but this was the worst matchup possible for the raptors.  Someone like me could never beat them, because my bigs try to beat them inside.  The Bucks expose every one of your weaknesses.

Maybe you guys experimented with your depth charts. And maybe, it did destroy your team's chemistry? Or maybe, its just pure luck.

Raps, don't break up your team, its clearly one of the best in the league.  I have no clue how you lost but you shouldn't break it up

Shit, for some reason I thought I had Kmart playing PF, but Odom, the lesser defender, was playing that position.

In any event, I don't think that I should have lost the series, but I thought there was a chance.

Podkolzine = Houbregs
Odom < Duncan
Martin > Terpening
Marion > Manu
Livingston > Chamberlain

Dang.

Sim 8 was the last dc you changed your roster with.
http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=16715&highlight=#16715

All of this may be true, but I have had the same team all season and I went 3-1 against them.





My only experiment was making Buckner my starting SG, and this was a neccesity after Springs went down. Springs was NOT the catalyst for this team, so that doesn't explain it right there.





Why not? So we can have this discussion next year too? Just like last year. There is no point. I'm waiting for another low seed to win this year, so I'm thinking I might as well be a low seed too.

I think its the same reason why the Lakers with 4 HOF  or why the rockets team composed of the dream, sir charles and Drexler didnt win the championship. Its because in life, its pure luck.

It's pure luck? So you;re telling me that every team has a 50% chance of winning any series?

4 games is hardly a significant number.



And Kobe KILLED you to the tune of 26.3 ppg.

You might have been a 60 game winner, but your team isn't perfect, and this was the worst matchup for you.

Houbregs is better than Pavel, statistically and Physically (Tanner:7'4 301lbs)

But anyway, i think that your team is more superior than mine. Although i think that my bench is much deeper than yours.

4 games is pretty significant when a series is only 7. If the 4 game regular season series doesn't give you a good idea of what to expect in the playoffs than I don't know what would.

Kobe didn't play SG, he played SF. Meaning the change at SG meant NOTHING.

My team is a hell of a lot more perfect than the Bucks team was.

It shouldn't have happened.

Then it means Kobe was going up against a B- defender.

and Donta, against the lesser defender than normally at the 2, went off for 19.6 ppg.  Meanwhile you had a non-scoring threat to take advantage of weak defending Donta Smith.

Sure did mean something.

Well now that I pulled off the miracle upset, I'll explain what I did.

The Raptors trounced me 3 out of 4 times, at least 2 of them coming before I switched pace from fast to slow.

Since the Raptors were a Top 5 offense and a Top 5 defense, I had to choose which one I thought I could best limit.  So for the playoffs, I changed the pace to very slow, hoping just to minimize the chances/possessions for Toronto's offensive output.

Collier was my 2nd leading scorer, but I wasn't going to test Yao's A defense, so I switched him to 4 and made him the 3rd option against Mihm's A- defense, deciding my only chance was the perimeter.  I switched my best scorer (Kobe) to the 3 so he'd match up against Peja, Toronto's worst defender.  Kobe also happened to be an A defender, so I put him on Peja who just happened to be Toronto's best perimeter offensive player as well.  

From there, Donta Smith's B- defense was safe against Toronto's 2 guards, who weren't scorers.  Tinsley wasn't an option all year for scoring, and I kept it that way against Baron's A+ defense.

So I made my offensive options Kobe (against B- defense), Donta (against B+ defense) and then Collier on Mihm.

From a defensive standpoint, Tinsley vs. Baron, Donta safe against the 2s, Kobe on Peja, Collier's B+ on the nonscoring Mihm and my best big defenders (Okur/Allen) platooning on Yao.

Of course it was lucky that I won, but that's why it's a sim.  And I did put plenty of thought and analysis into approaching it.

a very wise move i should say..

Buckner was actually a B defender.

Kobe getting 26 shouldnt have hurt me. Donta getting 20 shouldnt have hurt me.

Peja has always EXCELLED against better defending SFs. He burns Marion every time.

Whoa, Both #1 seeds are out of the playoffs,the sheik pick(the hornets) are out too.

FBB really is a crap shoot.

Well good job to the Mavs, and i'm suprised i made the playoffs(but happy i did) and suprised i made it to six games against them.

good luck to all the teams the rest of the way

THe individual matchup of Yao vs. Okur should have far outweighed any other matchup.

Yao got 33 ppg, and that should have been enough.

The fact that it wasn't enough is the reason that I am pissed. It's never enough to be a top team.

So basically what you're saying is despite the fact that you had a bad matchup, and despite the fact that you got sorely outcoached, you should have advanced to the 2nd round against all that?

Yes, Yao scored.  But did he rebound?  No.  Why not?  Probably because he was trying to guard a 3 point shooter.  think that was a factor?

Peja has scored on some good defenders, but do you know how good their perimeter defense is?  Kobe's held opposing SG's to under 35% shooting for the year, and they make less than one a game against him.

There's a stat I could have used heading into Round 1 :)



Peja has also dropped ratings in the past season.  Obviously in basketball a perimeter scorer is going to be less consistent than a big.  Peja had some huge games, and then he had some 8-28 games.  That's the way it is.

Maybe you should have made Buckner and his 82% 3 point % an option :shock:

ack, meant from 3 pt range.  not fg%.  Under 35% from 3 pt range, making less than 1 3pter per game against him.

Well regardless, switching Kobe to 3 and Donta to 2 was a no brainer move, regardless of all the numbers at one's disposal.

Pavel blocked more shots and grabbed more rebounds than Houbregs. Houbregs has the scoring edge. It's pretty close IMO.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you, I know that I had the better team, but you can't win them all.

Well, now that we're 3 pages into it, i'll actually talk about my series.

Just dominating.  Which I expected with Iverson not playing.

Me: 106.7 ppg, 48.6%, 47.3% from 3 (9 made per game)
Opp: 73.5 ppg, 32.2%, 27.2% from 3 (1.5 made per game)

Won rebounding 63.5-44 on average.  Did lose to's, however, that's the only problem with the series.

Pettit: 33 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 3.25 apg, 1.5 spg, 51.4%, 47.5% from 3 (5 made per game)
Billups: 21.5 ppg, 9.75 apg, only 3 topg, 54.8%, 54.5% from 3 pt (3 made per game)
Okafor: 17 ppg, 15.7 rpg, 3.3 apg, 3.3 bpg, 1 spg, only 1 topg, 46.6% shooting
Battier with 8 pts, 9 boards, 3.3 steals, 1.5 apg.  Couldn't shoot though.
Dalembert with 10 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 6.25 bpg

Lo was great off the bench, whom I tried to get more minutes for.  nearly 8/10 off the bench in 23 mpg.

Amare scored (21 ppg), but Dalembert held him to 28.2% shooting.  Rasheed did a bit of damage (15 ppg on 40% shooting), Diop was held to 25% shooting by the defensive player of the year, neither hayes, rush or embry did anything from the perimeter.

76ers are gonna be tough.  real tough.

Shot blocks Comparison
Pavel: 3.1
Tanner: 2.7

Rebounds Comparison
Pavel:8.9
Tanner:7.6

Points Comparison
Pavel:7.6ppg
Tanner: 12.9ppg

Ratings:
Pavel: C    D+    D    B+    B    B
Tanner: B    C+    D    A-    C    C

I think tanner is better but only a small margin.

And yes, i do agree that you have a better team. Anybody in the league knows that.

I think not having KMart at the 4 was huge.  TD's 31/15 on 51% shooting were huge.

A breakdown of my series with the Hornets
I scored 92ppg while limiting them to 85ppg. Which is pretty good compared to what im averaging during the regular season 99.6 to 97ppg.

My SFs did a great job of limiting K-mart. Terpening and Ernest Austin both proved to be solid defenders.

after such a poor end of the season for me, I can explain my playoff success with one answer: Antonio Daniels' efficiency at PG.

Game 1: 6 assists/1 turnover
Game 2: 10 assists/1 turnover
Game 3: 6 assists/ 1 turnover
Game 4: 6 assists/1 turnover

Wow, that's pretty dominating actually.
You really made some great moves this season. I wish you luck against the Nets.

Ah well...  At least I took one game from the Kings, to keep it from being a sweep.
I can sum up my loss in one player....
Adonal Foyle shot 6 for 36 in four of the games (one game is linked incorrectly, so I cannot see the boxscore)
17% shooting from your starting center will lose you every series...  Thank goodness I have a better center in rehab right now.   :wink:

Iggy did a pretty decent job against McGrady defensively.
Hinkle was quite good offensively off the bench.
Hinrich was hot or cold...
Swift did much better offensively then I thought he would...
Cardinal was held in check Gooden...

Congrats Kings...  Next year, hopefully we can face off at full strength  :D

Tanner and Duncan vs Emeka and Sammy....
Now that is a great matchup...

Holy ****! I woke up a night. Could not sleep (which never happens to me!!!), but now I know the reason why I could not sleep. Only two things I can come up with now:
1. Congratulations TimberwolvesGM
2. ClippersGM FAR FROM HAPPY! This will be a tumultueos off season in LA.

Oh yeah, and this:  :bs:

Thank you, before the sim I was just hoping I would take it to game 5.

the first thing I thought with the Clippers was if anyone could upset them it would be a team with Garnett, the Raptors loss...well that blew my mind, but makes sense with Bods' analysis.

First of all, I don't really get your bad matchup crap. A 61-21 team facing a 38-44 team IS NOT A BAD MATCHUP. The Bucks are not the only team with a big man who can hit 3's, and you know what? I've beat alot of those teams.


And sorely outcoached? You have got to be kidding me. Do you read the words that you type? Did you expect me to move Baron Davis to Center so he could guard the perimeter? You really do take the cake, you know.

I should have advanced to the 2nd round because I have the best team in this league, and was facing the worst team in the playoffs.

Why did you bother to say you were shocked?

Yes, you SHOULD have advanced to the second round.  However, teams do not advance in the playoffs due to their regular season standing.  Great move by the Bucks with Kobe and Okur.  Okur is a very good defensive big who can shoot the three...tough for Yao.  Kobe is a defensive monster who can score (takes out peja).  What's left?  A very good matchup and a team (the raptors) that have little depth, tons of youth (like my sonics...which is why I never win) and a terrible SG combo.

Suprising? yes.

Shocking? no.

Now, let's all be adults and move on.

yea move on. it is the POs and everything can happen there. If we all can predict the outcome nobody would play this game. I am not even sure if bods did this sim again and again if the outcome would be the same even onetime. I agree with bods that the bucks gave you the matchup with the most troubles.
Even in real NBA sometimes things like that happen (remember the Denver-Seatle series).
Raps you have with no doubt a great team but no team is good enough to win it all. accept it and move on.

quick recap of my matchup. i expected a loss because i had change my lineup..
i lost because of TO and getting outrebounded. Trough the series i even shot the better % but had games with 10 and more shots taken less.
big surprise on my team was hunter who avg in the first 3 games around 10 points as a a backup.. JO had a block festival but couldn´t score as usual after his injury.
congrats to the magic.

Wow, 6 hours later and I am still ******!

I can't believe what happened. Ok, Garnett is a terrific player, but a team can not win 1-on-5 ball. I did make some adjustments to play the wolves. I put Childress on Gatling and I put Chandler on Garnett. Both moves to put the best defenders on the Wolves top 2 scorers. Guess what... Garnett went crazy.

How can they win the last 3 in a row when 2 of those 3 are in LA????? That is just crazy! I had the 3-1 lead. This drives me crazy!

So what is the thing with these playoffs? Clippers, Raptors? (The two top teams by far) Hornets? Nuggets not even winning one single game?

Hey, Thanks! I really think that you did deserve to win, with all the moves you made to win the ring this season. Anyway, best of luck to the both of us.

the advantage of being an 8th seed is you can take chances with strategy and if it works you're a genius and if it doesn't you weren't expected to win anyways. IMO, it's always tougher to be the team at the top and we all know the playoffs acts as a 2nd season, everyone starts 0-0.

As we've seen in real life (USA basketball, the Lakers, the Yankees off the top of my head) just because you stock a team with enormous talent doesn't necessarily mean championship rings. All and all this is a simulation, how can we argue how real it is when in reallife you still have things like Vermont beating Syracuse (which really screwed up my bracket this year), or Weber State beating UNC back in the day, and the many other examples you could come up with. The Raptors and Clippers had great seasons and were the focus of everyone's drooling. We all give mad props to their GM"s for making such juggernauts of teams (I mean we're talking the Clippers here, how "realistic" is that?). but I say congrats to the Twolves and Bucks, and lets not forget who the defending champs are ;-).

thanls

good luck next year.

pretty surprising how I beat the Pacers. I didn't really expct to win I wasn't even aware the Jermaine will be out for a game.

Take a look at the moves Bucks made.  Take a look at the REASON the bucks made those moves.  Those were VERY good moves.  He doesn't win without the switching of Okur and, more specificially, Kobe/Smith.  That move alone allowed him to put his best defender on your only other offensive threat, and put his worst defender on a guy who couldn't score.

Then look at your moves.  For some reason, you thought it prudent to put the 7'6" 300+ lb ming at pf for a bit.

Yes, you were outcoached.  During the regular season Smith/Kobe averaged 33 ppg.  They averaged 46 ppg this series.

You were outcoached.  At least last year when I made the mistake of switching to inside focus, and took Billups completely out of the series, I was man enough to admit it.

What the hell is going on here?? Jesus, bunch of ridicilous results


but...........YEAH BABY!! Ah, finally!

Because the Clippers lost.  When I saw the moves the Bucks made, I knew they had a chance.  The clippers should have beaten the Wolves anyway, AND the made the correct matchup moves, IMO.

Oh my God....Broderick Lousietti went crazy!!

hmm i think the clips also overreacted. KG can´t be stopped really but with brand he had a PF who could score also on KG and Chandler is a better help defender than a one and one.
so the move of Chandler to Pf is a mistake imo, because in the POs you need your best defender to stay on the floor and not foul out so quick.
if i think of the other change even more reason are there not to switch.
magette is a inside scorer with a great heigth advantage over gatling.
but i agree he should still have the advantage but without so big lineup changes it would have been a bigger one.

Kings Vs Warriors recap;

Game 1; 105 : 109 W
Broderick Lousietti (i just love this kid, even if it's fictional :) ) went completely mad having his best game of career; 26pts, 10asis, 6rebs shuting down Hinrich at 3/14 from the floor and only 7 points. Tmac; 24pts, 13reb, 8rebs with awesome all round game. Brad Miller 16/16, Gooden 16/7, Moiso 14/4 and James with 9pzs and 13reb. Team rebounds 65   :shock:  :D . It can't get any better then that.

Game 2; 113:102 L
The only loss of the series. Warriors had almost 7 guys in double figures and recorded 58 rebounds while shooting almost 50% from the field.
Once again Louisetti played great; 21pts, 8asists, 5rebs. This kid is a starter material.

Game 3; 102:98 W
Close game. Mcgrady with 40/8/5, Gooden 19/10, Miller 14/6/11, Louisetti 13/5 in only 17 minutes, Marbury 10/10, Moiso 4/3/12. Forced the Wariorrs to 16 TO's and once again Hinrich was never able to find his range.

Game 4; 109:100 W
From this point on Marbury took the series over; 16points, 17asis, 7 rebs and huge 30+ perfomances from Miller (31/4/13) and Mcgrady (31/7/10). With James absence, Moiso once again picked up the slack with solid 12/11 performance. Louisetti with 9 points and 4 rebs in only 16 minutes. Team rebounds going for the 60 once again. I like that.

Game 5; 111:98 W
Marbury with nice all round game with 20/7/6, Brad Miller once again with superb performance as he gone for 29pts, 4blocks, 6asists and 13 rebs. Mcgrady with modest 20/8/5 and James went nuts with 16 pts and 20 rebounds performance. I need him to do that more often.

Ok, about the Yao at PF thing - I just realized something that can explain it - I meant to do it all season (like last season), and I thought I did, except that I had Mihm as my 3rd string PF and my 3rd string C. Oops. So when I played Yao for a bit at PF, I was under the impression that he had played a bit of PF for the entire year.

Secondly, I ask again, what did you want me to do? To counter his moves, should I have moved Baron to C? Peja at PG? Look, I've been 61-21 for 2 years...why would I possibly want to fuck with that lineup? Did the Bucks make some good changes? Sure they did. Was I outcoached? Fuck no. How can you possibly say that? You're being a jackass about this.

You make it sound as if I should have played Baron at C (better perimiter defender), Cato at SF (A- defender) and maybe a better defender at SG (which I don't have).

I'd love to start a poll right now, but I'm not going to. The question of the poll would be "If you had a 61-21 team for 2 years in a row, would you make radical changes to your first round lineup when facing a 38-44 team?"

Re: your last paragraph - yeah, you fucked up last season. I didn't fuck up this. I didn't change anything - and therefore I didn't take anybody out of the game. Think about it.

Peja scored 23.4 ppg on 47% shooting by the way. Yeah, good argument with Kobe shutting him down  :tup:

We are not having anything more than an intelligent discussion, and therefore there is no reason for us to move on. If you don't like the fact that myself and the Clippers are angry and upset that we lost in the first round to 8 seeds, that's fine - don't read my posts.

During the series, Okur scored 8.3 ppg, grabbed 11.6 rpg and shot 45% from the floor. He was 0-4 from the 3 pt line, failing to take one the last 4 games of the series.

During the series, Peja scored 23.4ppg on 47% shooting. Kobe didn't take him out.

And after that, you're asking what's left? Baron Davis and Chris Mihm for me, Donta Smith and Jason Collier for him.

And my depth is not an issue. Cato, House, Lovelette all do fine jobs.

 :rrofl:


You put the amount of work I've put into mine team.

You break down you're team and build from scratch, building a team that wins at a 67% clip.

You lose in the first round, and just say "oh well".

I mean, that has to be a computer error. :P

The perimeter isn't limited to the 3 point line.  The same effect would occur if Okur was shooting from 15-20 feet away, which is likely considering my offensive settings.



That was about 4 points below his average, but it leads to an interesting point.

The upset and the bickering aside, Toronto's team didn't do much out of the ordinary during the series (except for Game 6).  They shot in the high 40s % wise, Yao was huge and they outscored me by 5 ppg on average.  The only thing out of the ordinary was Kobe/Smith raising their ppg a combined 14, and that was made possible by a B- and B defender.

So all we have is a good home team holding serve 3 times and then stealing one road game behind huge outings by Kobe/Smith.  

Maybe the real surprise is that Toronto amassed a 61-21 record with no threat at the 2, 2 great scorers, one good scorer (Baron), a garbageman (Mihm) and average role players.  For all the time you've put into your team, and I know you have, there has always been room for improvement.  Regular season success does not automatically equal postseason success.

WOW, just can't belive how my players stepped up in the post season;

Mcgrady #5 in ppg (30.2)

James #7 in rpg  (13.7)

Miller #9 in rpg (12.6)

Marbury (maybe the best PG so far in this playoffs) #1 in apg with 11.3 and #8 in spg at 2.3

Congrats guys...

Yes- I'll give you that - you were a good home team. But you were a TERRIBLE road team and you beat me at the ACC in game 7.

Like I said before, you made good moves with Kobe and Smith.

However, if you want to break it down another way - here. Your first option, Kobe, scored 26.3 ppg. My first option, Yao, scored 33.3 ppg.

Your 2nd option, Smith, scored 19.6 ppg. My 2nd option, Peja, scred 23.4 ppg (which was 1.2 less than his season avg, not 4).

So my top option outscores you, and my 2nd option outscores you. You;re 3rd option was Collier, I believe? Collier went for 13.9ppg, 9.7rpg on 36.4% shooting.

To contrast, Mihm, Collier's matchup scored 14.1 ppg, grabbed 14.3 rpg and shot 43%.

Eh...I'm not so sure about that.  Chandler held opposing C's to 42% shooting, and brand was good as well at 43%.  But with the height differential, I'm not so sure putting chandler on kg was the wrong move.  And Brand was the one he wanted to get off offensively, so putting him at c made sense.

But, Chandler did get in foul trouble, so it might be debatable.  

And I agree, maggette on gatling might have been a bigger mismatch for the clippers than wolves.  But then again, Maggette on Van Horn should have been a mismatch as well.

Team rebounds really amazes me, i just hope this will continue against the Mavs (i would prefer Minny more to be honest);  65, 53, 56, 60, 60. I'm right there with Nets i belive...except for that ridicilous 74 rebounds effort in last game of the series.

Playing Yao at pf, whether in the regular season, post season, or preseason, is a mistake.



The object of coaching, and the reason depth charts and pace settings are in this game, is to maximize talent.  All year long you've said "put everything normal and let talent win".  That's not maximizing talent.  The Bucks did a better job of maximizing talent, and that's why they outcoached you.

And nobody said Kobe shut him down.  What we did say was that it lowered Peja's effectiveness, increased Kobe's effectiveness, and increased Donta's effectiveness.

Lol.

Well that's what happens when the Wizards miss 66 shots.

Putting things at normal DOES maximize my talent.

Putting my focus at Outside would benefit Peja and Baron, but kill Yao and Mihm.

Vice versa with the inside focus.

I was top 5 in ppg, and top 5 in oPPG (actually, 1st until I let the starters rest).


How is that not maximizing my talent. What more could I possibly do?

I don't think there is logical explanation to Raptors debacle. We can go on with all the micro analisis, but top to bottom, Raps are superior team in every single way.

Not every way - not at SG, which I did get beat at.

But every other way, yeah, pretty much.

Well, I've already said putting Yao at PF is a mistake.

With an average pf/c height of 7'3", and a pg that has a propensity to turn the ball over, I would lower the pace.  I would probably lower the trap and press too, considering you're probably not all that mobile.  And I would not have Baron Davis as an option.  The 13 ppg doesn't warrant the extra turnovers it probably produces.

But this is all something you have to experiment with in the regular season.  But you clearly said "set everything to normal and let talent win".

Besides, whether or not you made mistakes is irrelevant to how much the Bucks maximized their talent and matchups.  He made use of his talent better than you, probably the best we've seen in a playoff series.  And this was the worst possible matchup for the raptors.  you would have had a much better time with the Hornets, 76ers or I.

If you're going with the Bucks lineup used this series.
Yao vs. Okur = obviously Yao
Mihm vs. Collier = Mihm
Peja vs. Kobe = Kobe
Buckner vs. Smith = Smith
Davis vs. Tinsley = Tinsley

Oh, I'm sure people will disagree with Baron/Tinsley.  Baron's a good name.  But he's got a lot more holes in his game.

Defensively they're about the same.  Tinsley gets 2.1 steals, Baron 2.2.  Tinsley holds starting pg's to 43% shooting, with 7.6 a/35 mins to 3.43 to/35 mins.  Baron hold starting pg's to 42% shooting, with 7.7 a/35 mins to 3.2 to/35.

Tinsley scored 12.9 ppg on 47% shooting, 38% 3pt, 74% ft.  Baron 12.9 ppg on 45% shooting, 32% 3pt, 59% ft.  Tinsley wins in to's/game, 2.6 to 4.3

Considering defensively they're close to equal, offensively they score the same, but Tinsley much more efficiently, and turnovers aren't even close.  Baron may be sexier, but Tinsley much less of a liability.

Right -so make who the 3rd option instead of Davis, pray tell? Mihm at his 42% clip? Or Springs?

Yes, BUcks did maximize his talent, but he didn't outcoach me, as I did everything the way that I had before - the way that taught me to win.

And I kinda like Yao at PF - apprarently so does the program as when i didn't have Yao in my DC for the last sim he played alot of PF.

Then are you admitting a mistake on building your team?

BTW, the program will just fill in your best players automatically when they aren't listed at all.  I just checked your computer recommended dc, and yao ming is not listed at pf any 3 times.

I can agree with all that.


But look BEYOND that.

Yao vs. Okur - Yao by A LONG SHOT.
Mihm vs. Collier - Mihm by alot.
Peja vs Kobe - Kobe, barely.
Buckner vs. Smith - Smith by alot.
Baron vs. Tinsley - Tinsley, barely.

So he may have had had 3 of the 5 mathcups won, but in 2 of those, it was so close where an argument could easily be made for either side.

Yao DOMINATES Okur. ruins him. Mihm had his way with Collier too (Mihm's blocks were also very high. 3.6).

I still think I should have won - but i think I know what I want to change for next season now.

I'm not sure if it's a mistake, because I think that Baron is a nice enough 3rd option.

But as I make changes, that is something I might look into.

Here's my bottom line.

Raptors ARE the better team.  The Bucks ARE a bad matchup, a matchup that was made worse by some nice roster moves.  And it was STILL an upset, but not something completely impossible.

The Raptors are a great team, but not one that can't be knocked off by the right opponent in the right situation.  The Bucks, with the way their roster is built, are the right opponent.  

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bucks now get trounced by the Magic.  Alot of it is about matchups.

does match ups creates a huge factor?? two season ago when sixers was tanking he used his center as a point guard and the center did really well...more than what his pg can produce.... FBB is sometimes puzzling...but its fun.... :lol:

i know magic would win over the players with 3 veteran superstars...
i also expected the sixers to win....two words " TIM DUNCAN"...clipps and bucks are a surprise to me....but still its FBB....some crazy stuff in there hehehhe

I can't disagree with that.

Especially since I also lost in the playoffs last year, when I was also 61-21.

I don't really care what happens to the Bucks now as long as you lose at some point and keep the record of Championships to Raptors - 0 Nets - 0.

Well, if you also remember, the Sixers didn't win with that lineup, and the pg's a/to ratio was terrible, and he didn't get the rest of the team involved.

Haha.

Don't worry, i'll lose to the Sixers.  I'm confident of that.

Clips are definitely THE biggest shocker to me. I can't belive, the Minny barely made the playoffs and Clips won 60+ games and have no holes what so ever... :shock:

p.s. Nets; still standing by your statement that Baron and Marbury are in 2 diferent leagues? :)

Yes.

Yeah.



But hey, when you think about it, aren't there alot of teams built like mine? Big man as the leading scorer, perimiter player as the second option, PG with high apg and high topg?

I think alot of teams are built like that - yet the Bucks regular season record was only 38-44.

Marbury is a defensive sieve.

Marbury vs. Opp starting pg's (on a per 35 minute basis):
PPG:  11.8 vs.  13 (adv opp)
FG%:  45% vs 46% (adv opp)
SPG: 1.4 vs. 1.7 (adv opp)
topg:  2.5 vs. 2.3 (adv opp)

Marbury gets outscored, shoots a worse %, and gets more to's.  The only thing he does is get .5 more assists per 35 than the starting pg for the other team.

Yes, I do.

Maybe I don't understand your point but Marbury actually has better fg% and 2 less TO's then Baron. What are you talking about?

Defense.

Baron: 45% shooting, opponents 42% shooting
Marbury: 45% shooting, Opponents 46% shooting.

So Baron is in another league only cause of that 4% :?:

Nevermind he's shooting lower % (in every category, ft, fg, 3p) then Marbury and has 2 TO's more :?:

I know you're defensive freak, but is defense really all that matters when comparing the 2 players?

4% is a very significant margin.

especially considering the 2 are practically the same offensively (13 ppg at 45% shooting vs 12.6 ppg at 45.4% shooting)

handling i consider even.  Baron better at creating for teammates, marbury better at protecting the ball.  Baron balances out his TO's by forcing the opposition into TO's, something marbury doesn't.

When you look at net gain (ppg vs. opp ppg, fg% vs. opp fg%, to's vs. opp to's) baron comes out well ahead.

I don't deny that he's a better defender and a bit better passer. But to say he's in another league it's something i can't accept. Based on stats and how they perform i would say Baron is better PG (but still pretty debatable) but sayin he's in another league is just too much IMO.

Damn, had to go to work.

Tonight is big night here. The biggets soccer game ever in history of Croatia as we host no less then mighty Brazil! Brazil - Croatia, man what a spectacle!
Hope they won't embarass us too much :) .

Learn to be a gracious winner...

Bragging about beating a team that lost their best player to injury is graceless at best...   :|

It wasn't even a huge display of power.  3 of 4 wins (against a team lacking a top 10 player in the game) were single digit games.

Hehe..Yes, yes i know...they were all close games even without Araujo. But i always wanted to type that "Display of power"...it sounds great! :P

Actually, although i beat the Warriors 4-1 i'm not satisfied at all with how the games went. They were just too close and i'm not sure that kind of performance will carry me over the Mavs.

But at first, i was just thrilled that i passed that first round so i was speaking more with my heart then my mind. :)

Makes you sound like a bleeping idiot, and an incredibly arrogant one at that.

I say congratulations to a good series, and you say "What a display of power!" ?!?!?!?

Where the icon for "shaking head in disgust"  That is the one I need right now...

GoldenState there was some major misunderstandings i belive....It was the last thing on my mind to be arogant or to ofend you. I don't know what's your problem? I just gave a explanation for that so called display of power and you exploded. :shock:  :roll:

Your explanation was that you always wanted to type that, because it sounds great?  And that is a reason that you think an arrogant/offensive comment can be excused...

That is the one of the worst reasons I have ever heard...

That is like me stringing 7 profanities together, talking about an individual and his mother, and saying "Oh, I had just always wanted to curse someone out, it seems like fun"...  tell me how that is acceptable...

Yes, I was a terrible road team, obviously.  In fact, I only won about 1 out of 4 games on the road...



Collier's better on offense, Mihm is barely better in the defensive rating and better at rebounding.  That matchup is far from lopsided.



So you'll have to improve your bench and your 2 guard issue (which has been your Achilles heel pretty much since you traded Vince).



Losing at some point while also beating the Nets may be hard to accomplish :)

Back to Basketball...
Well, some matchups worked, and others did not.
Foyle was probably the reason the series was lost.  
22% shooting and 7.4 rpg in 28 mpg from your starting center...  Did a good job defensively on Jerome James and Moiso, but the offensive production was putrid.

Swift was excellent, better then I expected.
25 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 2.2 bpg on 47% shooting.
But Brad Miller played just as well, scoring 21 ppg and 12.5 rpg on 49%.

Cardinal was not great, and a bad 2nd option this time.
12 ppg on 44% and 38% in only 25 mpg.
Hinkle did very well as a back-up, grabbing 10 ppg and 6 rpg on 50% and 66% shooting in 28 mpg.  May have earned a starting nod at SF next year, depending upon TC.
Gooden was not as good as I feared he would be.
12.4 and 8 rpg on 42% shooting...  I though he would eat Cardinal alive.

Iggy was excellent this series, in a starting role.
11ppg, 5.5 rpg, 3 apg on 51% and 33% shooting.  Most importantly, though, he held McGrady slightly in check.
Mcgrady averaged 30 ppg, 7 rpg and 7 apg, but on 46% and 37% shooting.  Considering he averaged 53% and 57% during the regular season against me, that is a huge improvement.

Hinrich, well, was not the greatest 1st option in the world.
13 ppg, 10.6 apg, on pitiful 39% and 20% shooting...  This is the other reason, besides Foyle, this series was lost.
Luisetti and Marbury just beat Hinrich badly this series...

Looking forward to next season, and seeing if Araujo can play at a fast pace (or maybe even with an outside focus, which should be fun), since the rest of the team has shown they play well under those settings.

It was a very interesting first round of the playoffs.

In the West, I'm not too surprised by the Clippers loss.  The T'Wolves are a good match-up, from a veteran team that's basically been together for a couple seasons now, despite the addition of Gatling who is a great scorer alongside KG.  I think leaving Brand on Garnett would have been better because making KG play some more defense might have taken away from his offense.  Chandler isn't the offensive player Brand is and KG could probably rest a little more on defense, giving him more of an effort on offense, but with KG that might not have mattered.  Also I think that Gordon isn't a true point which probably hurt in ball distribution.

The Jazz series was what I expected as the defending champs have a bucnh of team guys, and Antonio Daniels leading the way is a very good move.

The Mavs advanced which was no surprise because of their talent alone.

The Kings should have won with a Hoff-less Warriors team but I didn't expect Hinrich to play so poorly.

In the East I was kinda surprsided by the Raptors loss.

Yao is great inside and Peja as his compliment.  But your SG position I think hurt bad.  Everyone knows that your only weakness is your SL.  Donta Smith was able to play very well at SG and that was your fate.

I thought the Pacers would have a better outing but the Magic are great so that's understood.

The Nets proved their dominance but it's gonna be a tough one next round.

The Sixers win isn't shocking as with 2 guys K-Mart and Marion playing out of position, I think that might have contributed to the loss, but as a team looking in from the outside I could be wrong.  TD had his way with Odom, who I think is overrated.

But I'm looking forward to some of the matchups next round, should be interesting to see if anyone makes any big lineup changes.

Hm...everyone values their players differently, but I think Mihm has alot more value than Collier. Collier is a better scorer, but man, he still shoots only .07% higher than Mihm. Collier will obviously have alot more chances to score than Mihm will given their positions on their respective teams.

And rebounding and blocked shots are not even close.

You can keep your Collier, I'll keep my Mihm - but hey, what do I know, you beat me :)

Beat the Suns in six games like KingsGM predicted.  We were down 2-1 in the series but Bron played some of his best game of the season to pull this one off.  Next round going to face the Kings, we haven't play them that well this year.  Tmac going to get his 30+ but I hope we can stop the rest from getting 20+.  It will be a good matchup.

I don't think the extra chances to score help Collier's %.  The fact that Mihm shoots so poorly when most of his shots come outside of the flow of the offense is a different story, especially since he's a garbage man.  I'd assume a lot of Mihm's attempts are offensive putbacks, and I think it usually helps someone's % to not be an option.  

Anyway, Mihm put up about 13/11/1/3 in 33 minutes, Collier put up about 15.5/8/1.5/1.5 in 31.  I don't think Mihm holds a lot more value than Collier based on the ratings or the statlines.

And that doesn't even take contract status into account.

The fact that Mihm puts up 3 more rebounds and twice as many blocks make him alot more valuable to my team.

And contracts mean nothing to me, I have no cap space in the forseeable future.

Warriors;

For some reason you ignored this. On purpose or not, i don't know.

I deeply apologize for any insult you think i made with my statement (although i doubt that cursing and mentioning someone's mother is the same like that fatal statement "What a display of power". That wasn't even the soft trash talk). I just guess you had a bad day.

And finally, i moderated my original post (deleted very "arogant" statement) so there you go. :?

I did not ignore that statement...
But I do appreciate it when folks think before they type.  Internet anonymity should not allow any statement to be made without thought.

But do not blame it on a bad day...

All is well...

Can't we just sim the entire playoffs????  I am bored!


 :D

lol, I second that

I third that.

Its the price you pay for not making the play-offs.. :D

I blame Zydrunas...my team went to garbage once I dealt for him.

Hoping for a rebound next season.

Could you be nice and tell me is Bron starting at 2 or 3? That A+ defense is making me little nervous... :P  :wink:

You're talking about the "one sim wonder" Michael Stewart. He average something like 24ppg, 2.2spg, and a decent number of asssists something like 4apg (im not sure)

You did expect the sixers to win the Hornets series.. Well, I honestly didn't. I know that I got a big edge with TD, but the hornets got 4 stars in their team.

Please do guarantee that.. :D I like to win our series.

I'll fourth it.

I'm incredibly bored seeing as how I'm out of the playoffs, and no one has PM'd me about my players ;)

alright i will help you out. i will sent you a pm  :D