SSBA

Allen Iverson
2009's 1st rounder

for

Tanner
Kurt Thomas
Ginobili

I hope that there will be no comments until both teams have agreed with this deal.

The reason i do this deal is because i felt the need of depth in my team. Both tanner and Gino are very good defensive players. This trade also makes me maximize Mikel Chamberlain with giving him the starting role at the PG position.

agreed

I think this is a good trade for both teams, he can move AI because of the Mikel Chamberlain signing and I need a scorer.  Losing Tanner and especially Manu hurts but I think it will be worth it.  It's nice to finally have a bonafid #1 option

Don't like it from the Sixers because of that pick. Player wise, I think it is slightly in favour of the Hawks, and then getting the pick makes it a great deal for them.

I understand it from a Sixer point of view, what with Chamberlin at PG. Putting Manu beside him should be ok from a defensive prespective.

But Tanner really isn't much of anything. Not to down play the guy (B C+ offense is great), but how many C's have at least A- defense in this league? Granted, he does block shots well.

Wow...  Love this trade for the Sixers.
First, the Tanner/Duncan frontcourt is an excellent froncourt, especially since Duncan is such a great rebounder.  Tanner in the high post, Duncan down low...  deadly.   And defensively, probably one of the few frontcourts that can play well against Yao/Mihm and Emeka/Sammy (and Araujo/Swift, if I may say so myself).
Love the Manu addition as well.  Great defender at the 2, allows Terpening to move to his natural SF spot.

Not a fan of this deal for the Hawks.  Iverson has not been let loose as a primary option, not with Duncan in the mix, so not really sure of his full ability right now.  But he has not shown himself to be that good in this league yet.
This does give the Hawks tons of cap room in two years, when AI comes off the books.  However, AI will likely demand a huge contract at the age of 33, so this seems like a 2 year rental of AI...

^-- What he said.

Iverson is a 31 year old who has never shown himself capable of being a #1 option.  Rather than building a team around him, it seems you have to build a team for him, and you don't have a lot of flexibility.  His defense is overrated (in the first sim, opposing pg's shot 49.3%, 55.6% from 3 pt range), drastically increased by steals, but just like real life can't stick with his man, or prevent them from getting in the paint (pg's averaged nearly 6 assists/game in 24 minutes, or 12 per 48 minutes against him).

I just don't think Allen Iverson is a bonafide #1 in this league, and not justification to give up 2 VERY good players in this league.  Heck, I'm not sure I'd give up either Tanner or Gnobili for him, let alone both.

Strange deal. Bad for the Hawks for sure. Why did he traded 2 nice young players with good defense for a 31 year old player with awfull contract and almost 6 to's a game?

Iverson might be fine, but only as a missing piece on some champinship caliber team. I don't think he'll lead the Hawks to  the playoffs and will hurt their FA chances next year.... :shock:

I look for Iverson to break out with the Hawks.

I'm talking 25 5 and 5 at least.

I could see 20/7/5

I' not sure whether the 7 is to's or assisits though

I disagree with you that Tanner and Manu are both very good players.  Manu maybe but in both games against the Magic Ray Allen had 38 and 39 on him.  Manu is a decent defensive player but he too is a little inflated (maybe not as much as AI) by his steals.  Tanner is a good player in the league.  Hell he gets 8 boards a game with C rebounding that's pretty impressive and he's got a C+ outside shot.  Tanner is also able to be dealed because Predrag Drobnjak off the bench (who will be starting after I change my DC) will be just as effective as Tanner in a starting role.  This deal may be questionable but I needed a good #1 option and AI was the best scorer that I could get with what I wanted to deal.

 :lol:

Wont be as many To's at the 2.

great trade for the sixers. if you look now on his role players they are all great defenders. biggest problem for the sixers has been AI imo because he couldn´t pass the ball to timmy. tanner is not a great  offense guy but with timmy he will form a great tandem and his ability to shoot from outside will free some space inside for duncan. manu is more than just a solid steal defender he can pass and his shot selection is way better than AIs. The pick will be something between 20-29.
I can´t understand why the hawks traded for an old guy and gave up two starters for him.

the hawks did need a number 1 option, he had a bunch of players that are on the brink of being a number 1 but not quite there, just a lot of secondary options. Drobniak does play above his ratings, not to mention he still had Gadz, and Tanner has just been upsetting so far in this league. I was doubting the deal for the Hawks but then I saw the 09 pick which evened it up for me, especially with the added strength of next year's draft. I feel it's a good trade for both teams. Although I don't know what the Hawks are going to do about AI's turnovers, even if he gets put at SG, but Tanner and Ginobili equal out his turnovers I guess.

Gadzuric/Pollard
Drobnjak/Strong
Prince/Iguodala
AI/Iguodala
Shenk/Ford

not bad

you think AI can avg. 26 pts? i liked his team before. he had solid starters and enough youth to build something for the future. now with AI he will go nowhere. AI will decrease in one or two years and his team isn´t good enough to win it all this year. So where is the point to trade for an aging Allstar if you can´t win now.

Maybe he helps him win enough games that he attracts free agents.

other than that, i agree.

IMO the Hawks got the short end of the deal...mainly for the reasons already stated: age, 2 starters for 1, low draft pick.

But then I really like it for the Hawks since I hold their 2009 draft pick.   :D

AI is 31.  Manu is 29 which is only 2 years younger.  And yea Tanner is 24 which is a lot younger but age isn't a huge factor.  I have one of the best defensive/rebounding big men in the league, a good point guard a good role playing defensive player in Tayshaun Prince but I didn't have a scorer.  AI might not put up 26 but he doesn't need to do that.  He needs to put up 20-22 more this to be a good trade in my eyes.  And you can have too much youth.  My team is still young, trading one of my young guys and my 2 oldest guys isn't gonna hurt with age that much.  I'm not gonna win the title this year but I'm not going nowhere, I should make the playoffs with AI leading the charge

Just a theory:

Since this deal involves AI and most of the guys here are from Philly, could it be probably more a "Having AI" thing than anything else.

no evidence whatsoever, just a theory ...

well the two years he has AI, it gives 2 years of development to Ivan Strong and he could pick up a SG this next draft and have an extra TC before he depends on something out of that SG....like someone else had noted, it helps him capwise too.

Celtics: I'm a fan of AI but that's not the reason.  I think he's a good player in the league, better than both Tanner and Manu

i don´t see the point. first the cap situation isn´t better now maybe it will be even worse since he will have some pretty heavy decisions to make in the offseason. the other point of having time to develop a draft pick is even worse. if he really reach the POs - which i doubt - the sixers will also reach it and the pick wouldn´t be high enough either. With manu and tanner this idea would make more sense of developing talent.
i can´´t wait to see how tanner will perform next to a true low post guy.

the cap situation probably won't help because I will try and re-sign Gadz and Iggy and maybe TJ Ford and Josh Smith.  The pick wasn't a big thing, just somebody to add that might develop but the whole idea of this trade for me was to add a scorer.  I think AI will drop 24 a game but obviously many of you disagree which is fine.  Tanner and Manu weren't giving me anything special that I will really miss.  Gadz will pick up the blocked shots and AI will pick up the steals and scoring and Manu isn't that much better at defending players as far as allowing points and %'s that I know of but I don't have one of those spreadsheets.  The whole idea of this trade for me was to get a scorer and if it doesn't work I have a big expiring next year.

I wonder if Manu could have been that scorer for the Hawks.
I know he only averaged 16 ppg in the last sim, but that was with 7 rpg and 5.5 assists per game as well, on 53% and  42%...
I think he will do quite well as a 2nd option to Timmy.
I think AI might drop 25 ppg, as long as he takes the shots.

My first year, I did not have a player score over 18 ppg, and still made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs.  The 4 players in doubel figures the Hawks had was pretty nice.  
But we shall see, I do expect AI to finally make the top 10 in points this year.

this deal might also, sometime down the line, allow Ivan to start.  As of now, I don't have a 3rd option which Ivan could be.  We'll see how it works out in tonights sim but there's still a lot of playing around with my team I want to do

Wow.. I didnt expect this kind of reactions from other GMs. When I and the HeatGM did check this trade out we thought that its i got the short end because of the 1st rounder i gave.

Anyway, like pacersGM said, AI did somehow killed my team chances competing for the ring for too many years. Yes, he did gave me good numbers in scoring, steals and assists. But his turnovers did really hurt my team. This deal also helps me have a smooth transition with the Tim Duncan Era and the rebuilding era, with Terp and Tanner being solid young cornerstone.

For the Hawks, they did receive one of the highest rated player in SSBA. I believe that if AI did have his own team he would be a 25ppg 8apg player. I just thought that AI was in a wrong situation from his first year in the sim league. And with the AI's age issue, well Gino isnt young anymore. And Tanner seems to be a player who would not improve for the rest of his career, based on his previous stats and potential. Hawks got the best player in the deal in AI, and my 1st rounder would compensate all the tangibles lost in the deal.

I think this is a very even deal based on what our teams have and what we need.

So far opposing C's have shot 39.2% against tanner and have more turnovers than assists, steals or blocks.

The man can play defense.

i agree he is defently one of the better defenders at C. I think too many gms only check the scores and forget that basketball should be played on both ends of the floor.

The Hawks got Gadzuric who is an excellent defender, he might somehow help defend the C position.

there is no doubt at all that Tanner is a great defensive center, but I do have Gadz to try and help make up for the less.  Drobnjak is as good rating wise but his size won't be able to make up for it.  It will hurt defensively losing him but I'm giving up 100 a game anyway, hopefully w/AI, Schenk and TJ Ford I can put a lot of pressure on opposing guards w/Gadz anchoring inside

Raps, I don't see how this deal favours the Hawks..

Gadz actually did better.

Opposing PF's shot 33.3% against him (although he didn't force near the turnovers).

No doubt Gadz is good.  But the two of them could have been building blocks, IMO.

I think AI is alot better than what we have seen.

Manu is good, no doubt, but he wont be conitinuing those stats, IMO. And he's a big contract.

Tanner is great, but there are others who are just as good.

The pick might not be so bad either.

Agree with Nets...  Especially if Ivan Strong is ever to start.  Tanner next to Ivan, with Gadz possible coming off the bench behind both for about 30 mpg...  Devastating frontcourt.  Or, Gadz next to Ivan would probably be even better (increased rebounding), with Tanner off the bench for 30 mpg.

gadz stats will improve when he plays at his more natural C, he rebounds a heck of a lot better than tanner would ever and that's an integral part to any defense IMO

Has Tanner ever played PF?
He is huge for the position, but he definitely has the range.

i don't know how well he'd do, other big men would be quicker

Maybe...  With those great blocks and that outside range, I would think that Tanner would be surprisingly quick.

it's hard to balance what you'd know would occur in real life and what would occur in a simulation.

And that is very, very true....  Tanner could probably play PF in the sim, but not quite in reality....

Man, your're still talking about this trade.. :)  :shock:

I love this trade for the Sixers. IMO, the Ginobili/Houbregs combo is without a doubt just as good as AI.