SSBA

Who would you rather have?

:rrofl:

I love it.

Chris Mihm 7'0'' 265

13.4ppg, 11.6rpg, 3.1apg, 2.5bpg, .471 FG, .750 FT

 C+ C- D A- A- C

Team Record: 8-0

Samuel Dalembert 6'11'' 250

8.9ppg, 12.3ppg, 1.7apg, 3.0bpg, .565 FG, .556 FT

C+ D+ D A+ A- C

Team Record: 4-3

I moved this because I didn't want it to dominate the game thread.

BTW, one thing to keep in mind with mihm's "superior" offensive ability is his career 41% fg percentage, which is puke inducing.  I don't think Mihm's increased career 3% ft% makes up for that.

Thread is  :roll: ...but anyway. Well, they're basically the same players and i would take Sammy, but only cause of age.

my vote is for sammy because he proved he is one of the best defenders in the game even without emeka and at both positions. with boozer mihm was always in trouble at C.

mihm doesn't play C anymore soo....

I was actually surprised that Mihm is so close to Sammy.  But obviously, you want the one who, IMO, has the most impact.  Sammy, like Camby, can anchor an entire D.  Sure, he's not great on offense, but Mihm isn't as dominating defensively as Sammy is.  For that alone, Sammy gets the nod.

I think that, basically, Mihm is a better fit for my team, while Sammy is a better fit for the Nets team.

My team - we hold you to a realitivly low number of points, and score a ton.

The nets - the just try to hold you to a very, very low number.

I don't need a A+ defender at PF. That would be just overkill.

As evidenced by my fast pace....

Just wait.  I'll be top 5 offensively this year.

Well, I was going more as evidenced by your 91 points per game, 3rd LAST in the League.

 :roll:

Yeah, over 7 games.  7 of which were on the road.

Obviously, these #'s are entirely relevant.

7 games is 8.5% of the season.

Plus, it's all we have to go by right now.

And who cares if it's on the road? I score 111 points per game on the road. With a Normal pace.

The Mavs have historically been one of the higher scoring teams in the league, particularly when they had Araujo.  and yet they always played at a slow or very slow pace.
Heck, last year, when I moved my team to a higher pace, I scored about 5 less points per game.
Sompace does not necessarily increase your scoring.   You need the right personnel (Vince Carter seems to thrive in a fast pace)

Pace most definitely does increase your fga's.

unless of course you have it increase your turnovers.

I have the spreadsheets to back this up.

Raptors: it may be all we have to go on, that doesn't mean it's valid.

If you think I am going to score 91 ppg, shoot the %'s I shot, and turn it over 18+ times/game, you're crazy.

We'll I don't thin kyou'll score just 91 ppg, but you just said you would be top 5...and to do that you have to score 104.4 ppg.

Good luck getting an increase of 15 and a half per.

Pace may increase FG attempts, but not necessarily points...
For example, Gasol, at a fast pace hit 38% of his shots.
Normally he hits 45%.  And it also reduced his FT attempts.

More attempts, less points...  Saying Pace increases scoring is not necessarily true.  Bet if I went to a fast pace with my 6'11" 290lb center, my scoring would drop a bit.

You will be proving it this year, if you alter your pace after the All-Star break.

No, to be at top 5 now I'd have to increase to 104.4.  Those averages, just like mine, won't hold over an 82 game season.



I never said that.  Raptors said I was trying to grind out low scoring games.  I used pace to show intention, not results.

Yes, and Yao will most certainly maintain his 38 ppg average  :roll:

Must have misinterpreted...  You stated that you would be top 5 offensively this year, and I thought you stated that because of your move to a fast pace.  My bad...
You just have that much confidence in your team offensively...

And the purpose of this statement was....?

We're arguing about the Nets getting into the top 5 offensivly in the League. This argument really has nothing to do with Yao. Chances are he will drop about 4 ppg to average around 34 ppg.

Yao will be the leading scorer in the SSBA this year, that is my predicition.

Nets can easily pick it up offensively...  Pettit will get back to near his normal averages, but not quite as good.  Emeka is the key.
For an A- inside, the past two years he has averaged 43% from the field, along with bad FT shooting.  You would hope for 45%
He has a good handle for a big man (C-), and should be able to pass well out of the post....  if he picks up his FG%, the Nets have 4 very, very solid options (Emeka, Pettit, Battier, and Billups)
Top 5 is possible...  but it is Emeka dependent, imo.

He's saying that 7-8 games is not representative of an entire season.

I said I will score more than 91 ppg, and that the top 5 will not maintain their scoring average.  He said just like Yao will not maintain his 38 ppg.

It's an analogy.

This whole thread is crazy... it is not about Dalembert vs. Mihm, game pace, points per game,...

It's about the biggest rivalry in the SSBA. That's right, Nets vs. Raptors in our SSBA is like Magic vs. Bird, Jordan vs. Thomas,...

I am only waiting for the Stoja-Rules and the Hack-a-OkaBert (Okafor and Dalembert)! Damn, this should make for a very tasty eastern conference finals! ;)

I'd rather have Daly.

John Daly ?

He's a great long hitter ... and there's always that Johnny Walker dude around, too !
 :lol:

First they have to win something (1 title for example) to be called the biggest rivarly in SSBA...

Chuck Daly ;)

That's what i call the awesome coach...

Man, i just dont agree with you guys that would rather have Daly.

The stats show who the better player is, IMO.

And Nets, I'm still waiting for the top 5 offense. ;)

you've been owned, get over it.

as for top 5 offense, I've gone from 27th to 12th.  I'm 3 ppg away.

23-6

18-14

Who owns who, buckaroo?

Raptors Championships = 0
Nets Championships = 0

Neither owns the other in that regard.

Bulls = 0 championships

Sweet, I'm your equal!  :)

*bump*

5th in ppg.  went from 27th to 5th in 4 sims.

Eat that.

Touche :)

Right now, for me, I only care about defense. That's what wins the Championships....And I'm easily best.

Which is now obviously wrong.

Scary thing?  Raptors is 3rd in ppg.  I'm 5th.

Defensively we're #1 and #2 in opponents fg%.

Well, I personally disagree with the style you are playing. I think you have a team that is as good as mine, but you running at a fast pace and what not is killing your strength which is defense.

But hey, I'm still 6 games ahead of you. :P

And I'd still take Mihm over Daly.

Did you miss where I said opponents fg% is second in the league?

It's not just ppg.   I'm still dominating people defensively.

But not as much as I am - and you have the better defense team on paper. I run a normal pace, you run a fast one.

Yeah, both of you lack depth, and you'd assume that you'd run a slower pace. One of you should be close to the Hornets' 2006 record of points allowed per game  :)

(yeah, I have to gloat about the 1st season because there's little else right now  :wink:  )

I disagree.  The only # you can be looking at to believe that i'm lesser defensively is opp ppg.  And that's erroneous.  #1 in blocked shots, #1 in rebounding, #2 in opp fg%.  It's still domination.  The ppg is just window dressing that's influenced by pace.   But the pace runs 2 ways, so it's still domination.

Uhhh....I'm almost certain that games are not decided by blocked shots or rebounding.

IT'S ABOUT POINTS.

Wow, I hope neither of you guys ever win a championship, we'd never hear the end of it  :lol:

Actually, I think the bragging would probably just be between us, not to the rest of yous.

we'd stll have to read it  :)

True that :)

I don't see either of us winning a championship this year though...the top teams never seem to win...but we'll see :)

Wow, you're a genius.

Actually, more like increadibly slow.

Obviously, the goal of the game is to score more than your opponent.  The strategy comes in on how you get there.

By me saying opp ppg is thus window dressing, it's because it is.  Yes, faster pace makes your opponents ppg increase.  But if your ppg increases by more than your opponents ppg increases, then it's working.  So an increase in opponents ppg is not necessarily bad, and not necessarily the best mark of how successful your defense is.

So, by your logic, the fact that I outscore opponents by 11 points per game compared to your 5.9 ppg, that also makes my defense far superior.

Basically, you can pull whatever numbers you want out of your ass, but I'm telling you, your defense is far from dominant. Yes, you lead the League in rebounds per game with 55.9. But you GIVE UP 52.1!! I average 53.1 but only give up 47.8. Therefore, I have the edge on rebounds.

Opponents make 2.5 more field goals per game against you than they do against me.

I'd say your defense is far less dominant than mine. Bringing me back to my original point of the fact that your defense SHOULD be better, but it isn't. And I think it's because you kill it with your fast pace.

No, my defense IS dominant.  However, so is yours.

I'm "only" a +4 rebounding because of the 1 sim without Emeka.  Outside of that sim, I'm a +6.  I'm a dominant rebounding team.

And I'm dominant defensively.  Opponents score at an inefficient clip (2nd in the league in fg%), don't get 2nd chance opportunities, and I lead the league in blocks per game.  I'm first in the league in Steals+Blocks per game.

Opp PPG is probably the most overrated defensive stat.  Points per possession is much more telling.  Which I am once again in the top 3 in the league.

You know what, you are right. Your defense is dominant, but not as dominant as mine. AND IT SHOULD BE BETTER !!!! That's the only point I'm making.

With Battier missing pretty much all season?  With his backup, Salmons missing significant time?  With Okafor missing significant time?

I'm pretty happy to be a top 3 defensive team.  This sim I won by an average of 20 ppg, and opponents shot 38% against me, 32% from downtown.  This is also the first sim I've had my starting lineup intact.  I'm quite happy.

Can't we all just get along?

We are getting along, this is just a friendly debate.

And Nets - your right, I missed all of that injury stuff when I was on vacation - so I forgot about it.