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My rookie is definitely a steal....with the 22th pick...heat selects  Daniel Calinoff SG 19 6'5'' 226 B- B- C C+ C- B (Q rich and RJ like ratings?!!! with B pot) he avearges 4.7ppg 1.8rpg 0.7apg in 15.0minutes per game....he's only 19......i :D

well i also like kevin stankovic, B+ defense and B handles, i drafted him in mid second round. he's great backup for now...

Devin Hinkle has been great with the 11th pick...
26 mpg, 4.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.9 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.4 bpg, 1 tpg on 49% field, 90% the line, although 30% from 3 pt land.
Great mid range shooter, and has been starting since the 2nd sim, so he is putting up those number against starting SF's and SG's.  Has been a great complementary player.

i don't think the first 10 or 15 picks counts in this thread

And why would you say that?   :roll:
The title of the thread is Rookie Evaluation, not rookies between picks 15-58 who make a contribution...

So since everyone praises his guys, here's my take on the Celtics 07 rookie crop:

Bailey Snow
is a solid contributor as a starting PG but not the natural leader I expected him to be. while 10ppg/7apg is nice, a 2:1 ass/to rating with A- handling is not. And breaking your skull in the middle of the season is simply unexcusable ..
Johnny Duncan
can be a fine 5ppg/5rpg guy when given the opportunity (which hasn't been to often with all the big guy rotation so far). He's probably some TC's away from being good ...
Jorge Strong
is the biggest surprise for me so far. A 10/10 PF with 2blks he seems best suited for a backup role right now as the starting assignments have hurt his shooting productivity. I still marvel at the fact that I actually had to be forced to take him on as a filler in the Mash/Raef trade ...
Andrew Sedran
follows ... but won't be too optimistic either

one and a half out of 4 is decent, i'd say

yeah, but he started how his rookie was a steal as 22th overall so i just thought he was thinking about surprises so far. nevermind...

then make the topic "PRAISE THE ROOKS" not "ROOKIE EVALUTAION" ...

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I don't have one rookie who hasn't done a great job for me this year....

:(

I had 2 straight ROTY's.  Obviously that's going to end this year.

The Spurs got Mark Bird with the 30th pick.  His ratings went up +1 in 4 different categories in TC to C+, C+, B+, B-, C with B potential still.  And he is 20 years old.  Playing back-up PG (17 mpg) he is averaging 6.8 ppg, 2.8 reb, 2.8 asst, 1.0 stls.  His shooting % are a little low but his career highs are 25 pts, 12 reb and 10 assts.  He has been player of the game twice and has 2 double doubles.

Our first round pick, Cole Sapp (18th pick), is only 19 years old and has a great shooting touch....56.1% FG and 46.7% from behind the arc.  Major problem right now is finding him enough floor time.  With Sprewell going down with a broken arm it is hopeful that the rookie will get more playing time and continue to impress with his shooting.

very happy with Evan Lo. As the 14th pick, he had come out and put 11 pts in less than 19 ,inutes a night backing up collier. his rebounding and block numbers leave something to be desired, but hopefully his d pot is wrong, and he'll start to improve.

Well, I think this year the rookie of the year should be pretty much undisputed...
No one is even close to English at this point.

No argument here.  English has stood out above the rest of this year's rookie class.

While English is far and away the best player in this years draft, my late 2nd round pg Thor Majerle continues the line of great pg's from New York :wink: ...w/B- outisde and B+ defense he averages 2.3 pts 1.3 asts and .9 steals in 13 minutes playing in only 8 games...he'll get off the pine if he has another good TC

WOW!

well i'm very satisfaid with my second rounder pointguard kevin stankovic. the kid is great so far and my first backup to bibby. B+ defense and B handles; 3ppg, 2.3apg, 0.5 steals in 10 minutes a game.

Ironically, all six of the players I drafted are no longer with the team. The two rookies I have now have been solid. Benjamin Piatowski is averaging 8 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, and 1 SPG in 27 MPG. He is extremely versatile, and his near 3:1 assist to turnover ratio is very impressive. He'd be just a terrific player if his outside shooting and defense can improve slightly. Tony Curran is averaging a decent 4 PPG, 5 RPG, and 1 BPG in 16 MPG. He has great defense and a nice shot-blocking ability. I like my two rookies, but you never know if they're here to stay... :P

Garces became a solid backup point guard for the Clippers.

In only 11.4 mpg as a backup he averages 3.8 points, 2.5 assists, 0.8 steals and 1.0 turnover.

I would like his field goal % to go up, but overall I am satisfied with .402    .783    .400.

The only rookie I have gets no PT.

Yeah, that's a problem many All Star teams have these days. It's an extension of the "Larry Brown" syndrome, named after the godfather of rookie-confidence-killing-by-nailing-them-to-the-bench ...


Brown:  :x
Rookie:  :cry:
Star:  :P  :lol:   :D   (aware that the padded stats thru increased playing time will put an extra "0" at the end of the numeric value on his paycheck soon)

LOL.

Bird's ratings are great. Like I've said before, it's a shame that you can't keep 2nd rounders after two seasons. When you get a good one, like Bird here, you are just like every other team trying to sign him in free agency. So, it sucks...

No its even WORSE. Like in the NBA you are allowed to offer your OWN free agents only a maximum starting salary of 120% of LAST YEARS salary.
So that means, SpursGM is only allowed to offer Bird a starting sal of $ 559.020. I mean that's a joke for such a player.  :?

I have no idea if this is valid too if you let this player officially enter FA, but since, as long as noone else signs that player he's basically YOUR FA, I doubt it very much. Under these circumstances, the earlier request, i believe from HawksGM, to add a 3rd year on 2nd round contracts upon request really makes sense ...

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Yeah, all I can hope is that he will give me a chance to resign him before he hits the open market.  But since his loyalty rating is the lowest of the three I am afraid I won't have his services after next year.

No, he can offer him the MLE and LLE as well.

So can any other team in the league. That's why it sucks. You can't "re-sign" your 2nd rounder player.

I wasn't saying they can't.   I was replying to the CelticsGM who said he could only offer him a starting salary of 500-something thousand.

In the NBA you are limited to the monetary amount of the MLE anyway.

And you do have an advantage.  Any loyalty rating the players has will go to you, so it is much more likely he will sign back with you.

C Raymond Bee - 31st pick overall. Still has A potential. Averaging 6.3pts, 6.6rebs & 1.0stl while shooting 43.1% from the floor and 72.7% from the line - in only 19.4mpg

Unless you will be under the cap, you cannot re-sign him during the"re-signing period". If you're over the cap, you need bird rights. Meaning 3 or more bird years. Which 2nd rounders don't have. So...

No its even WORSE. Like in the NBA you are allowed to offer your OWN free agents only a maximum starting salary of 120% of LAST YEARS salary.
So that means, SpursGM is only allowed to offer Bird a starting sal of $ 559.020. I mean that's a joke for such a player.  :?

I have no idea if this is valid too if you let this player officially enter FA, but since, as long as noone else signs that player he's basically YOUR FA, I doubt it very much. Under these circumstances, the earlier request, i believe from HawksGM, to add a 3rd year on 2nd round contracts upon request really makes sense ...

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wasn't me, but i do remember reading on a post that someone requested that

http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1457&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

EXACTLY ! If you happen to be UNDER the cap (which SpursGM likely will be) he can only offer 500+k to BIRD and not a penny more. No LLE, no MLE. And after you invested time and energy in a proper "education" for that guy, that sucks ...
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348 Isaac Beardslee SF 31 20.3 9.4 3.2 2.3 0.6 0.1 1.2 .472 .712 .442

been a nice offensive surprise when I was really hurting for points, doesn't really fill the rest of the box score up, but plays consistent and shoots very well from the field and three. I would like to see his blocks improve, 6'8" and now backing my SG and still not getting any blocks.

No, he can offer whatever he wants, if he is under the cap.  
And you do not offers in the first free agency period, they make offers to you.  So Bird could only offer a 500,000 contract...  The team does not make offers at that time
And, the MLE here is a little screwey...  If, at any time in free agency, you go over your cap by signing someone, you automatically get the MLE and LLE.

Harpring has been my 2nd best player this year, improving nicely in training camp (despite the F potential), and averaging nearly a double double in 27 minutes to go with a Top 10 standing in blocks per game.

Erm...where are you getting this, CelticsGM?  Certainly not our rules page.

From the Rules Page:
Re-signing your own free agents (less than 3 bird years):
Max Length: 6 years
Max Raises: 10% of first years salary
Max Starting Salary: 120% of previous years salary, or amount of cap space you have (not higher than the maximum allowed based on experience, as listed in table below), whichever’s higher.

What CavsGM was talking about was during the re-signing period.  Obviously you can't give the MLE and the LLE to a player before free agency starts....

oh well, oh well, guess I'm in for an explanation ... ahem, well, yes those rules ... hmmm, have to read ... yes, oh ... cough, cough ...

Ah, I got it

DEAR FELOWS GM
UNFORTUNA MYE INGLISH IS SO BAAD I DIDONT UNDASTAND RULES.
PROMISSE DU YUSE DIKTIONARY FUTURLY.
AGENN, SORY, YUR CELTICGM



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