SSBA

Trade 1
Lafrentz
Wizards 2009 1st rounder

for

Odom

Trade 2
LeBron(Not a typo)
Bellamy
Williamson

for

Kaman
Meyers
Claxton
2008 1st rounder
2009 2nd rounder

I agree to this trade...
Just so we know..
LaFrentz and Odom are within 15% of each other (barely)
LaFrentz is on a trade restriction, so this deal had to be separate.

No other players are on trade restrictions...

wow

Wow

I wish you would have put Lebron on the block, you always said he was 'untouchable' and all of a sudden you trade him.

I have to look at the trade, but at first glance it looks about right for both teams.  Bron just wasn't doin it for the Cavs

I'm just hoping that being trade might disenfranchise bron bron :)

Especially if the Warriors don't turn it around.

People.

Let's go through this one more time. To get fair value for your players, PUT THEM ON THE BLOCK. LET PEOPLE KNOW.

Cavs got HUGE depth back, but alot of the players he got are backups.  Kaman is playin brutal this year, and Meyers is a scorer who does nothin else and is unefficient.  I'm not sold on either of those players.  Claxton is and will always be a decent backup at best

The Warriors pick should be good, although the draft is not that strong.  On the plus side the Cavs shed Raefs contract.  Odom has emerged as a star in this league as well.

That said, Lebron is a monster ratings wise, and STILL has A potential.  He might have performed in Clevland, but might explode in Golden State.  I still think the Cavs should have posted that Lebron was on the block (unless I missed it).

Although the Warriors got Raefs contract, hes still a good center.  Williamson and Bellamy are also decent propoects

LOL. Get up and wash your face off. This is the reality. I'm a little tired from the 97 PM's WarriorsGM and I sent back and forth to each other to explain everything. I'd like to hear some opinions, though.

That is the risk I am taking...
Lebron is a perfect fit with the current Warriors.
He increases my defense immensely, and is very, very good offensive player.  Will play 2nd fiddle to Gasol offensively, which I think will suit him well.
Hinkle and Lebron are interchangeable at the SF and SG spots.  Defensively, if I can keep Lebron, these two will be a great defensive duo.

Although Odom was playing at high level, the Odom/Gasol/Hinrich group never really played that great.  Gasol and Hinrich have played well together, so it was time to go in another direction.
Kaman is tough to give up, he is not too far from Jamal Magloire abilities right now, and has a B potential.  Meyers played very well for me last year, but his minutes are down this year due to Hinrich getting more time.

But, Lebron, welcome...  Glad to have you here in a Warriors uniform.

Yep.  He def would have gotten a better deal, no dought.

THe Nuggets thing with Billups and KMart was one thing.

This took the cake. I'm dead serious, Cavs. I would have ADDED MORE TO YAO to get Bron.

I'm at a loss for words about this ...

Actually it's ALL MY FAULT :oops: . This is what I wrote earlier in the day:



Of course - getting rid of LeBron was the only way out of this ...  8)

 :shock:  This was MY fault, I should have never traded Darko to you!

Don't think you could ask for a better PF then Odom next to Big Z.
Odom is probably a top 5 PF with his stats, and is in competition with Dirk for best all-around offensive PF (Odom will likely average 4-5 assists with his 25 pts and 11 rebounds at the PF spot)
Like stated earlier, Kaman is a good center.  The only reason his stats are down is because I tried to run a fast pace last sim, and he was pushed out of the DC because of it.  
Meyers was the best shooter in last years draft, 45% from three point range.

Thank you for the support, guys...
Believe me, I know what I'm doing. I chose not to put James up on the block. It was my decision. If you didn't have a chance of getting James because of it, tough. If you think that I got ripped off and that you would have offered more, then good for you. All I know is that this Cleveland team will come out stronger then ever. Just wait and see. Wait and see...

And don't forget to get rid of that sig, though ...
 :wink:

... and the Avatar, while we're at it ...

8)

Good lookin out...

Personally I do not think it was that bad of a deal, people have to remember that Lebron James is just a name in this league (although he still has insane ratings).  I think almost everyone here has had their trade called bad, I know I have even though most have worked out for me.

That said, you can't deny the fact you could and would have gotten a better deal for Bron.

Damn, and my avater. Bron, I'm gon miss you...

 :(

Erm...21 ppg with all-league defense is more than just a name.

Cavs, sorry buddy, but I lost all the respect I had for you as a GM with those comments you just made.

IF you chose not to put Lebron on the block, then you are an idiot.

Lebron is not just a name. He is going to be MVP of this league MORE THAN ONCE, and I'm willing to bet alot on that.

This entire league has gotten trade crazy. It's becomming stupid, like other leagues are. Just a trading contest.

But you have some seriously twisted logic going on. Why would you choose not to put Lebron on the block? You would have had 28 PM's of teams offering their best players. There are ALOT of players in this league better than Odom.

Really, it's not tough for us that we didn't get a chance to get Lebron. Here's the bottom line: If you put him on the block, you have a chance to rape any other team in this league. Because you didn't, you got raped.

Does his age have to do with the fact he doesn't put up numbers like he' supposed to?  Even this year his numbers aren't very good, he's only 20 but he's been in the league for 3 years

Way to overreact, its A GAME.

A GAME.  

Calm down dude, you're not the only GM who had an opinion on this trade but you're the only one freakin out.  I think it's been mentioned like 10 times in this thread that he should have put it on the block, he doesn't need to hear it more.  

I'd be downright insulted by that post, personally and as a GM.  You basically called him stupid and an idiot.

I bet alot of GM's have lost respect for you with your constant over reactions

This is "A GAME" that alot of us enjoy playing.

Somebody needs to make the point. People don't seem to be getting it. If this becomes a trading contest, people will soon lose interest and drop out, then SSBA will be over.

I don't want that to happen.


And I was responding to the Cavs post, which was stupid, wherein he acted like an idiot.

Dude, shut up, and quit telling people how to run their team.

And the rest of your post was the hypocritical garbage.  The Cavs held on to LeBron for 2+ years through mediocrity.  How many times have you gone through wholesale changes in that point?  Do you have 1 player on your team from a year ago?

I doubt it....  Oscar Ferry averaged 25 ppg last year, and he was 18 years old.
But it is might be where his offensive skills are.  
From an outside shooting perspective, he is a very good free throw shooter, and I think the outside number is developed using free throw shooting and 3 pt range (maybe mid range shooting as well)  So he does not much 3 pt range.
Or, he could just be on the low end of his ratings.  There is still a decent range in the ratings, even with the +/- system.
Jason Richardson had the same B+ B offensive ratings, and averaged 22 ppg last year.  But he did not have Big Z to share the ball with.
And MoPete, with great ability, is just passive, as is Battier.
Mason Mercer, as a point, scores 20 ppg...  Baron Davis, when played as a 1st option, has never scored more then 14 ppg, and he was a more well rounded offensive player the Mercer (before a TC or two)

Not to mention, here you are complaining about this league turning into a trading frenzy, when you ran the damned Vince Sweapstakes.

Raptors, let's not lose focus of what this is.  You're upset you didn't get LeBron.  Let's not turn this into some damned fools idealistic crusade here.

As someone who's taken his fair share of criticism lately regarding trades, I'd like to chime in.  One, not everyone enjoys the time nor effort required to constantly put guys "on the block" and have a bidding war ensue.  

Two, most trades evolve from one GM saying to another, "Is this guy available?  What will it take to get him?"  And then PM's go back and forth.  I personally don't find it moral/ethical/whatever to stop talking with the GM who initiated things in order to announce to the rest of the league that the guy(s) for sale.  I know, personally, that I'm usually not thinking about trading a guy until I get a PM for him, so unless we constantly have "on the block" posts about everyone, I don't see how to realistically do this.

Three, each GM knows his/her team best.  I find it odd that certain GM's can know with certainty that a deal is so incredibly lopsided.  While I'm pretty new to this, I pretty much only made one trade my first year because I was still getting the hang of it.  And most people on here are relatively experienced with this game, so I think you have to trust that they know what they're doing.  I mean, KMart for me is a perfect example.  I had him twice, and each time he didn't impress me.  He took way too many shots (despite being a 2nd option) and had way too low a percentage for my liking.  He didn't fit with my team, regardless of what his ratings might say.  I'm sure the same situation played out here with LeBron.  Why else would Cavs trade him?  To me, he didn't appear to play up to what his ratings suggest he should.  And Cavs would know that a hell of a lot better than anyone else.

Four, deals aren't just done for the thrill of trading.  GM's identify specific areas of need, and work to fill those.  At least, that's how I operated, and I'm sure I'm not alone.  The whole package has to be analyzed in terms of how it addresses the areas of need for that team.  In this case, it appears that Cavs realized the one star wasn't getting it done, so he moved a HUGE contract, got an All-Star in return, and shored up his depth.  Seems like a fair enough offer to me.  Could he have gotten more?  Probably.  But is this trade on par with Barkley for Perry/Lang/Hornacek?  Not in my opinion.

Wowowee..

Are you serious? Are you kidding me? I don't know what to say right now...

 wouldent even worry about what he's saying right now. The Raptors gm, while he is the most active by far and a very good gm he's very overbearing, and thinks he knows how to run everyones team, he reacts negatively to any deal that he isent involved with. so dont worry about it.

Your your teams gm, and you made the move that needed to be made for your team.

as far as this league becoming a trading contest, i dont beleive that for a minute. there have 5 deals since free agency? 5 trades makes a trading frenzy? Ithink that all the deals that have been made have been fair to the teams involved in them.This league is far from going down the crapper. DaBods has a good handle on the league. and he's made rules changes already to make sure that this league stays fun, and around for a long time.

Really people should be less critical of each other in this league. no one is supremely right and no one has all the anwsers either.
theres no need for gm to personally attack each other, no need to loose all respect for anyone in this league.

After sleeping over last nights trade bonanza which had me on the edge of my seat until 5:30am I too have to admit I was wrong. And I completely agree with SunsGM.

Sorry CavsGM for ripping you apart verbally, although I didn't do it because I could have gotten Bron (no chance there) but because I thought you were robbed. But this is YOUR team, so manage it however you like. It's a free system and I don't think he made one other team into an All Star squad.

So let's play BALL again ...

But that's what I'm best at !!

But yes, most of you are right, I should shut up about it.

My bad.

I like to spark debate, but it's up to you Cavs how you run your team.

I'll stand by my comments that it was not a good idea for you to trade him without putting him on the block.

That will be all.

after so many nonsense trades i wonder if this is still  a "serious" league?   i don't want to get into how he should run his team but if he wanted to built some powerfull frontcourt, damn, there are alot more better, better ways to do it...

*EDIT* don't bring up private offers.

Dude, seriously, get over yourself.  If he didn't want your trade, move on with your life.  Obviously 2 things happened:
1) His priorities at that time were different.
2) He did what he felt was best for his team.

Am I the only one wondering, "What the hell happened" lately?

Seems like the overall tone of everyone has gotten much snippier and less friendly.  And it all just kinda happened overnight.  I just find it odd, personally.

all right for gods sake! am i a scapegoat again? the whole league is arguing how cavsGM got ripped and i can't say a word? jesus christ...

What you can't do is "I offered you this this and this, you should have taken it".  There's also no use of questioning this league.

Hey, now we're getting close to the conspiracy thing!
SCULLY, MULDER, wheere are you, we have an X-File here ...  :lol:

Calm down and be aware that there were some really bad decisions as far as it looks now. But this is a SIM league and many deals can't be judged after 3 or more years- ... (No one said Bowie over Jordan was bad right after the 84 draft; and no one called Traylor for Nowitzki a horrible deal even after one full season !!!)

yeah, i feel the same way and i don't like it. i don't want this league to fall apart...not now when i have a good team :)

but on a seriuos note, yeah, we should all try to get along again. maybe the commish should consider to dump this trade threads. only announcment of the trade and no comments...it's just a thought... :?

Erm...you're the one who bitches that you offered a better deal, and that everyone else gets lucky.



Comments and debating are more than fine.  Bitching, bringing in your offer and complaining that it was better, as well as questioning the integrity and the competency of the GM is not fine.

When I was first starting out, I found the trade comments to be invaluable in terms of me learning about the ratings and how they should be valued.  So I'd hate to see them go, because they can be informative for new people.  But if there's not going to be any value that can be gleaned from them, then I might have to come around to that.  Hopefully, we can all take a step back and realize that this is just a game done for recreation, and that Nets/dabods puts a helluva lot of time and effort into keeping this thing going.  So for his sake alone, if not for everyone else, let's all try to be less vociferous about moves/trades/etc.  It adds nothing and actually takes away from the enjoyment of this, at least IMO.

HEY, GUYS, c'mon ! This is the fun part, the heckling, the trash talking.

Do and write whatever you feel, but don't take it personally if you don't get a player, keep it funny, it's still a game and no ones life or even existence depends on this.
This has gotten a global thing now where different mentalities, different cultures, heck even different generations are involved. No wonder this leads to misunderstandings from time to time ...
... but I absolutely love it that you guys are spread all over the world, from Manila to Ontario, from Antwerp to Rio (;-)), from 'tonio to zagreb. THAT's a GOOD thing !!!

first of all i don't bitch at all, i am not greedy and don't care a one bit about lebron. as a matter of fact it was just a thought, actually it wasn't a offer, but nevermind. i was just tryin to say he could have gotten much more for lebron and that's just the way i feel. after all, that's why we have these threads...but, you're right, nevermind. now let just move on...

i'm hoping that Tanner and Melo can persuade LeBron to join them in Atlanta...after giving Melo his max deal I would have enough to give LeBron a max also :D ...i'm not gonna get my hopes up too high though

I will call it right here that Melo will not ask for the Max contract.

Well his greed is virtually non existent but remember Webber?  He had a greed rating of 5 or somethin like that and asked for a max contract.  He eventually settled for 11 mill.

Melo's worth a max, thats for sure.

meh, don't count on his low greed level one bit. i had a same thing with webber, greed only 5 and all of a sudden he was asking for something like 40 mil over 3 years at the age of 32 :shock: off course i told him to fak off and somehow i managed to resign him in the fa

haha, can't belive we were typin this at the same momment...weird...

if Melo doesn't ask for a max I will be shocked but if he opts to re-sign for say 8 mil starting I'll be pleased...but I will give him the max because he is worth every penny

Kings, you and I are both scapegoats. The reason for that is we both shoot our mouths off. :)

That pick is looking good so far. Keep it up Warriors... :wink:

So are LeBron's chances of entering FA ;)

Well I don't have to worry abut that now.    :)
But it's not like I was worrying about that before. I was pretty sure that he would re-sign. I still think that he will re-sign with GS at the end of the season.