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Title: Grizzlies/Nuggets Blockbuster!
Post by: GrizzliesGM on May 31, 2005, 04:41:00 PM
Nuggets trade Ray Allen, Jordan Tabak, Alexis Gale

to the Grizzlies for

James Posey, Eduardo Najera, Jamal Del Negro


Title: Grizzlies/Nuggets Blockbuster!
Post by: OldNuggetsGM on May 31, 2005, 04:59:08 PM
I hesitatingly and sadly agree.

Will there be time to change our DC's?


Title: Grizzlies/Nuggets Blockbuster!
Post by: NetsGM on May 31, 2005, 05:01:49 PM
You can change your DC's.

The roster pages won't be updated by then though.  So you have to go by your head.


Title: Grizzlies/Nuggets Blockbuster!
Post by: NetsGM on May 31, 2005, 05:05:02 PM
I don't think this is a bad deal for the nuggets.

As good of a shooter as ray allen is, him making that kind of money with a C+ defense is tough to swallow.

Wasn't he a B defense when you signed him?


Title: Grizzlies/Nuggets Blockbuster!
Post by: HawksGM on May 31, 2005, 05:05:38 PM
I'd like to see the reasoning for this...Nuggs get a good player in Del Negro(had a good TC and is very efficient) but I think could have got more for Ray Ray....Grizz add another scorer to their team which should help them in the push for a 2nd straight title


Title: reaspo
Post by: GrizzliesGM on May 31, 2005, 05:11:28 PM
If you have been following Del Negro as close as I have than you would all know what a loss this is. But what can I say, I'm not counting on the future but trying to win it all now. Ray Allen has a huge contract nut so do the rest of the guys on my team. I'll still have the LLE and MLE to use. I know that Allen has been declining each year but I feel his impact will still be great for a year or two. My defense does get weaker but its good enough to sustain this loss of Posey. Plus, Allen will hopefully shoot much better than the rest of my team has. Ultimatally, if i don't win it again than the Nuggets came out on top because Del Negro is and will be a stud. He's the second coming of Ray Allen.


Title: Grizzlies/Nuggets Blockbuster!
Post by: HawksGM on May 31, 2005, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: NetsGM
I don't think this is a bad deal for the nuggets.

As good of a shooter as ray allen is, him making that kind of money with a C+ defense is tough to swallow.

Wasn't he a B defense when you signed him?


if that's right then this isn't a bad deal at all...he'll probably keep declining, but yea JDN looks to be a star in the making


Title: Grizzlies/Nuggets Blockbuster!
Post by: OldNuggetsGM on May 31, 2005, 05:15:12 PM
Yeah, I got it all down in Excel.  Just edited my DC.  Thanks.  And yes, Allen was a B defense when I traded KMart for him.  Then I resigned him, and he dropped to a B- last year in TC.  Then this year in TC, he dropped to a C+.  So having that information also played into my decision.


As to why I did this: defense.  Went from a B/C+ in SF/SG to an A-/B.  Dealing Allen is the single-most heartwrenching decision I've had to make thus far in SSBA.  He was the face of the Denver or-gan-EYE-zation.  But his slip in defense, coupled with his contract, simply made him a liability, despite his range.  I wrestled with this move for almost two days before finally deciding to pull the trigger.  To be honest, when I traded for Carter, I always had a resulting Allen trade in the back of my mind, so I suppose I knew it was coming.  But it didn't make the decision any easier.

The key was Del Negro.  Posey's a nice player that allows Vince to move back to SG, but Del Negro's jump this past TC, with him keeping his A potential, made me decide to look toward the future.  

This may end up hurting me this season, and I'm prepared for that.  But I think I have now added even more depth to my team, which should allow me to perhaps play a faster style, or just press/trap more to make up for the backcourt's average defense.  

The fans in Denver won't be happy with losing Ray, but hopefully they'll be satisfied with knowing that Posey will actually improve the starting lineup this year, and that in Quincy Mihm and Jamal Del Negro, the Nuggets may have a promising tandem in a couple years to take over for Allen.

I'm also sad to see that the Ray and Vince show didn't get a chance to shine, but Allen's contract was going to be a bit of an albatross in a couple years, so like Billy Beane, I decided to move early rather than waiting around a la Ed Wade.


Title: Grizzlies/Nuggets Blockbuster!
Post by: KingsGM-old on May 31, 2005, 06:41:46 PM
are nuggets rebuilding?


p.s. i just can't belive how some GM's gets lucky....shit, if i offer mike bibby for one 5th rounder, i bet they would say me the offer is unfair :?


Title: Grizzlies/Nuggets Blockbuster!
Post by: BullsGM-old on May 31, 2005, 06:47:28 PM
Quote from: KingsGM
are nuggets rebuilding?


p.s. i just can't belive how some GM's gets lucky....shit, if i offer mike bibby for one 5th rounder, i bet they would say me the offer is unfair :?


Its not luck


Title: Grizzlies/Nuggets Blockbuster!
Post by: NetsGM on May 31, 2005, 06:58:27 PM
Quote
p.s. i just can't belive how some GM's gets lucky....shit, if i offer mike bibby for one 5th rounder, i bet they would say me the offer is unfair


95% of offers get rejected.


Title: Grizzlies/Nuggets Blockbuster!
Post by: GrizzliesGM on May 31, 2005, 07:01:01 PM
Quote from: BullsGM
Quote from: KingsGM
are nuggets rebuilding?

Its not luck


There is a reason I won the championship last season and will this season and its not because of luck.


Title: Grizzlies/Nuggets Blockbuster!
Post by: CelticsGM on May 31, 2005, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: KingsGM
are nuggets rebuilding?


p.s. i just can't belive how some GM's gets lucky....shit, if i offer mike bibby for one 5th rounder, i bet they would say me the offer is unfair :?

Is Bibby available ? I got a 5th rounder next year, which will be a VERY HIGH 5th rounder. Guess I better PM you ...