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League Information => General Board => Topic started by: NetsGM on May 10, 2005, 10:31:41 PM



Title: Interesting
Post by: NetsGM on May 10, 2005, 10:31:41 PM
Over the 2 years, the teams with the top 3 records (Mavs, Wolves, Hornets) will have not made the finals in either of the 2 years.


Title: Interesting
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 10, 2005, 10:38:40 PM
Well, the Hornets came close this year...
It is very interesting, though. Wonder if there is a difference between playoff and regular season basketball...


Title: Interesting
Post by: RaptorsGM on May 11, 2005, 07:26:25 AM
I'm not surpirsed, it seems like it always happens with FBB, which is what makes this kinda frusterating.

Look at Twan's outrageous cheating team - even he didn't win, the Warriors did, who I think were the 3rd or 4th seed.


Title: Interesting
Post by: PacersGM on May 11, 2005, 07:31:33 AM
do you know if there are different settings?


Title: Interesting
Post by: RaptorsGM on May 11, 2005, 07:32:37 AM
Different settings for what?


Title: Interesting
Post by: PacersGM on May 11, 2005, 07:37:23 AM
for the playoffs...


Title: Interesting
Post by: NetsGM on May 11, 2005, 08:04:17 AM
As far as I can tell there aren't.

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Look at Twan's outrageous cheating team - even he didn't win, the Warriors did, who I think were the 3rd or 4th seed.


I wouldn't trust anything he did.  For all we know, he could have tried to lose to divert attention and not make it obvious.


Title: Interesting
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 11, 2005, 09:12:58 AM
It just becomes so match-up dependent in the playoffs, rather then the regular season.
If I had been lucky enough to never have Hinrich face a good defender, I would have continued to go on.
I was lucky for the first two rounds...
The Mavs this year faced the one team who would create serious matchup problems for them (the Suns, with Kobe and Vince)
Just like the Wolves did...  If the Wolves secondary scorer was a SG instead of a player that would have to face Wallace, they probably would have won their series...


Title: Interesting
Post by: PacersGM on May 11, 2005, 09:29:50 AM
not a bad idea but still don´t explain the bad shooting of the nets and my team


Title: Interesting
Post by: HornetsGM on May 11, 2005, 09:49:31 AM
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As far as I can tell there aren't.

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Look at Twan's outrageous cheating team - even he didn't win, the Warriors did, who I think were the 3rd or 4th seed.


I wouldn't trust anything he did.  For all we know, he could have tried to lose to divert attention and not make it obvious.


My championship will always be tainted  :cry:


Title: Interesting
Post by: NetsGM on May 11, 2005, 09:55:01 AM
Yeah.  But your WC championship at least isn't.


Title: Interesting
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 11, 2005, 10:00:55 AM
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not a bad idea but still don´t explain the bad shooting of the nets and my team

Well, to look at the Nets/Pistons, you would have to say the Emeka/Sammy frontcourt has a may have a tough time vs. very quick frontcourts, like Gadzuric and Ferry.  And having Swift at the SF spot makes the Pistons inside defense very, very good.  Best in the league, possibly.

Can't even try to explain the O'Neal thing, though.  Have no idea how James was able to harrass O'Neal into a bad shooting performance.


Title: Interesting
Post by: NetsGM on May 11, 2005, 10:04:49 AM
I'm not sure I would classify Ferry at the 4 as quick.  His defense went from A- center to B+ pf, suggesting to me that his feet aren't all that nimble to defend away from the paint.  And dalembert defended Ferry fine, even outplaying him.

Unfortunately it appears Emeka is prone to stretches where he's clueless offensively :(

Although those stretches got less and less when I put him at C.

definitely needs to work on his jumpshot over the next couple of TC's though.


Title: Interesting
Post by: HornetsGM on May 11, 2005, 10:08:43 AM
It was Ostertag who played on O'Neal, and I have no idea why O'Neal struggled either. In my series against the Pistons, Ferry basically dominated the last three games of the series, and O-Tag was playing him.

I don't worry too much about matchups and team chemistry and all that. You just have to try to get the best players you can, regardless of whether they are an outside/inside guy or not.

Who knows if HeavyReign even accounted for too many guys in the paint or whatever...


Title: Interesting
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 11, 2005, 10:11:40 AM
True, about Ferry. Just being 6'11" and 238, I assume he is quick, I very well could be wrong. Maybe Gadz just played out of his mind defensively (actually, in fact he did.  50% better then during the season)
Ginobli is a pretty good defender to put on Pettit as well...
Swift may have been the key, though.  Having a great help defender like that around has got to be huge.


Title: Interesting
Post by: PacersGM on May 11, 2005, 10:12:06 AM
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It was Ostertag who played on O'Neal, and I have no idea why O'Neal struggled either. In my series against the Pistons, Ferry basically dominated the last three games of the series, and O-Tag was playing him.

I don't worry too much about matchups and team chemistry and all that. You just have to try to get the best players you can, regardless of whether they are an outside/inside guy or not.

Who knows if HeavyReign even accounted for too many guys in the paint or whatever...


in game 2 it was james alone and it was my worth game of the season.. :?
but maybe its the same thing like in real nba that bigger players can defend quicker players if they get a lot of help...
i think the best example are the chi - jazz finals where luc longely guarded karl malone and really played him well  :lol:


Title: Interesting
Post by: NetsGM on May 11, 2005, 10:15:08 AM
Well, I definitely know that it matters where you put your players, although I'm not sure about matchups.

Last year at C Okafor shot 46.5% and scored 22.5 pts for the year.  This year, when I moved him to PF (with an A- inside, D outside) he shot about 40% and scored 19 pts, when I moved him back to C he scored about 22 pts on 44% shooting.

I'm not sure how much matchups determine, although I'm sure the level of defender matters somewhat.  And I'm not sure about whether having too many of the same players affect it, that's the one I'm unsure of the most.

But not knowing exactly how the program operates is what makes this interesting.  You have to learn things by trial and error, and it allows for our experience and knowledge to build, just like really coaching a team.  I wouldn't want everything explained to me, just like I like the ambiguity in ratings (like, not knowing whether someone's a good ball protector/creator, and just ballhandling in general.  It takes some figuring out.


Title: Interesting
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 11, 2005, 10:18:50 AM
I agree with you, Nets.  Otherwise it would be simple to figure out how to put together the perfect team.  The way it works now, you have to fiddle a great deal to get your team together, and it changes every year anyway... lol


Title: Interesting
Post by: RaptorsGM on May 11, 2005, 02:09:41 PM
Once player's get moved out of position, they suffer. Last version of SSBA, I had PF-at-heart Darko playing the 3, and I never got to the title game.

Now, I have PF-at-heart Gooden playing the 3, same damn story.

From now on, my players will all be playngitheir correct postions, maybe switching up a 3-2.


Title: Interesting
Post by: MavsGM on May 11, 2005, 02:24:56 PM
I think I know why my team can't win in the playoffs.  This season I think my team just went out of gas in the tank during 2nd half of the season and continue on to the playoffs.  First half of the season, my team was unbeatable.  Next year, I think I will play my starters less and let my young gunz have more PT in the first half.


Title: Interesting
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 11, 2005, 02:26:56 PM
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Once player's get moved out of position, they suffer. Last version of SSBA, I had PF-at-heart Darko playing the 3, and I never got to the title game.

Now, I have PF-at-heart Gooden playing the 3, same damn story.

From now on, my players will all be playngitheir correct postions, maybe switching up a 3-2.

Lol...  I have Odom at SF now...  But besides the turnovers, he has done pretty well.  And the real Odom has turnover problems too...
Then again, maybe Odom is a SF at heart, that was switched to PF, and I am just bringing him back home... lol


Title: Interesting
Post by: NetsGM on May 11, 2005, 02:41:08 PM
I would say Odom is a SF at heart, who got by playing pf in the east.


Title: Interesting
Post by: HornetsGM on May 11, 2005, 02:42:15 PM
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I think I know why my team can't win in the playoffs.  This season I think my team just went out of gas in the tank during 2nd half of the season and continue on to the playoffs.  First half of the season, my team was unbeatable.  Next year, I think I will play my starters less and let my young gunz have more PT in the first half.


Yeah, we've discussed the "getting tired" issue before, and I think most of us agreed that it only is a concern during the game. Like if you are playing a six man rotation. I don't think "overall fatugue" is a concern. My main reason behind thinking that is because when you play these absurd 10 game in a row schedules, there isn't a real dropoff from the 1st game to the 10th...

Maybe it's something we should post on the FBB site as a question for heavy reign? worth knowing, for sure. I'd have a lot of questions for him actually...


Title: Interesting
Post by: RaptorsGM on May 11, 2005, 02:43:55 PM
Yeah, the forums are very informative.

I think it was just because the Mavs had a much easier first half schedule than second half.


Title: Interesting
Post by: MavsGM on May 11, 2005, 03:15:22 PM
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Quote from: MavsGM
I think I know why my team can't win in the playoffs.  This season I think my team just went out of gas in the tank during 2nd half of the season and continue on to the playoffs.  First half of the season, my team was unbeatable.  Next year, I think I will play my starters less and let my young gunz have more PT in the first half.


Yeah, we've discussed the "getting tired" issue before, and I think most of us agreed that it only is a concern during the game. Like if you are playing a six man rotation. I don't think "overall fatugue" is a concern. My main reason behind thinking that is because when you play these absurd 10 game in a row schedules, there isn't a real dropoff from the 1st game to the 10th...

Maybe it's something we should post on the FBB site as a question for heavy reign? worth knowing, for sure. I'd have a lot of questions for him actually...

I did some research on this that everyone start the game with 100% energy and then I ran the whole game.  Dalembert played 38min and at the end of the game he was at 78% energy and AI play 34min and at the end of the game he was at 74% energy.  AI was the first option and should use more energy but big man should get more tire easily than guards.


Title: Interesting
Post by: NetsGM on May 11, 2005, 03:25:52 PM
Erm...Fast Break Basketball (which we use) doesn't report on energy.  Fast Break Basketball SE (which we don't use) MIGHT, but that's only when you coach games.