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Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: NetsGM on May 10, 2005, 05:19:28 PM
After both series being locked at 2-2, Grizzlies and Pistons took the final 2 games of each series.

My bracket is definitely destroyed.  Completely.  At least the Hornets didn't make it, keep his win rating close to me.

Reminder: We start simming the finals tomorrow.  First 3 games wednesday, last 4 thursday.  Make sure to get your DC's in on time.

Also of note, and I forgot to say this, you can't change your players on the IL once the playoffs begin.


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: Iverson2Korver43 on May 10, 2005, 05:34:43 PM
First thought was WOW, can't believe i made the Finals...  Next thought, Gadzuric is out for 11 days!!!! :shock:  :cry:  Looks like it should still be a good series, and I am very glad I have the Depth in the Frontcourt as I do...  Good luck to you Grizz...


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: HornetsGM on May 10, 2005, 05:49:33 PM
Ferry just dominated me, I knew I should have probably moved Magloire over there.
Oh well, good series Pistons, and good luck in the finals. It will be tough w/o Dan G.


Title: d
Post by: GrizzliesGM on May 10, 2005, 05:58:02 PM
Its a great feeling being in the finals after years of playing sims with no results. I am still mad at the warriors for deceiving me last round when he moved Gasol to center to create the mismatch. I kept moving wallace on gasol but in the end he had the last post!

I am looking foward to this series with you Pistons. I believe i should win now with Richardson back. Gadz is out and that helps me. The only problem i see is who I should have covering swift depending on where he is on the chart. Good luck.


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: Iverson2Korver43 on May 10, 2005, 06:35:09 PM
After doing my "analysis", Not having Gads isn't so bad... Murphy started in his place and in those 3 games he averaged: 19 ppg, 12 rpg...  I really can't complain about that, and you can only put Wallace on one of them...  Swift should give you troubles due to the size, Ginobili is one of the best defensive SG's, and Nash has been playing amazingly (17,5,11,2 vs. the Hornets)...  Should be a good series, but I'm not gonna make any predictions...


Title: hey?
Post by: GrizzliesGM on May 10, 2005, 07:47:06 PM
We should start the finals asap since both of us have submitted depth charts!


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: RaptorsGM on May 10, 2005, 08:24:00 PM
What is with the Grizz always winning in the SSBA?

I think they won in the former SSBA twice in 4 years.


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: CavsGM on May 10, 2005, 08:45:57 PM
Yeah, it's weird. Grizzlies just have that about them, doing well in the playoffs...


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: HornetsGM on May 10, 2005, 09:08:29 PM
They wouldn't be there without Wallace I don't think.


Title: Re: d
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 10, 2005, 09:40:09 PM
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Its a great feeling being in the finals after years of playing sims with no results. I am still mad at the warriors for deceiving me last round when he moved Gasol to center to create the mismatch. I kept moving wallace on gasol but in the end he had the last post!

Hope you are kidding about the mad part.
I have every right to change my lineup depending upon matchups, which you did 4 times as well.


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: RaptorsGM on May 10, 2005, 09:42:17 PM
I was wondering why the Grizz made that snippy comment in the depth chart section.

When it says Warriors edited theirs once and the Grizz edited theirs 6 times.

 :roll:


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: NetsGM on May 10, 2005, 09:45:44 PM
Wolves tried it in the first round.  Moved KG to SF, KVH to PF.  It worked, KG dominated and Wallace was a virtual non-factor, but the Grizz still swept.


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 10, 2005, 09:49:22 PM
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I was wondering why the Grizz made that snippy comment in the depth chart section.

When it says Warriors edited theirs once and the Grizz edited theirs 6 times.

 :roll:

Actually, I had not even read that until you mentioned it...
I never thought I would get this far, and the Warriors had a great and very surprising run...

But I will play the matchups how I wish.  One of the reasons I like having Gasol and Odom is the lineup flexibiity that they give me.  And I would be an idiot not to use that to my advantage.  Obviously it did not work, but I tried.


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: CavsGM on May 10, 2005, 09:56:38 PM
I think he was getting mad that you kept switching them back and forth to counter him. If that's what happend, I don't know.


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 10, 2005, 10:09:02 PM
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I think he was getting mad that you kept switching them back and forth to counter him. If that's what happend, I don't know.

Gee, I countered his counter...
I was not mad he changed his depth charts to counter mine.  That's just part of the game.   Why should he be mad when he did the same thing?


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: RaptorsGM on May 10, 2005, 10:11:51 PM
Meh, let him whine. It's part of the game.


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 10, 2005, 10:19:56 PM
And even with the matchup I was looking for, I still could not pull it off.

Gasol played very well, but Odom had problems with Posey.  And Eddie Jones gets my vote for playoff MVP.  When he was their top scorer, the Grizz won.  We he was not, the Grizz struggled...


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 10, 2005, 10:56:05 PM
Will do my regular starting lineup breakdown tommorrow, but I was wrong in my initial estimation.
It was not Odom that had the problem.  He had 20 ppg, 7 rpf, 4 apg on 47% shooting...
It was Hinrich.  8 pts on 33% FG% and 28% from 3 pt.  Hinrich is really the heart of this team, and he did not play well.

Good thing my top 3 players are 24, 24, and 23   :D


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: NetsGM on May 10, 2005, 11:02:45 PM
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Good thing my top 3 players are 24, 24, and 23


20, 22 and 23 (with A, A and C potential) ;)


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 10, 2005, 11:06:07 PM
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Good thing my top 3 players are 24, 24, and 23


20, 22 and 23 (with A, A and C potential) ;)


Good thing I only play you twice a year... lol


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: NetsGM on May 11, 2005, 08:06:10 AM
Next year for the playoffs people will PM me their depth charts, so it's private.

If you think about it, coaches don't go to the others before the game and let them know what they're going to do :)

Also, having it like this rewards players who can be online and 5pm and penalizes people who can't.

We'll keep it in the regular season where you post it publicly, since you're not gameplanning for one person, but the playoffs will be private.

Next year.


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: PacersGM on May 11, 2005, 08:09:05 AM
great idea...


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 11, 2005, 09:03:20 AM
Excellent idea, Nets...
The it becomes a one shot chess match...


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 11, 2005, 09:54:06 AM
Well, here is the full, not great for me breakdown...

Warriors : 84 ppg, 48 rpg, 8.2 spg, 14.3 tpg, 8.3 pg on 45% FG, 24% 3PT, 68% FT
Grizzlies : 92 ppg, 50 rpg, 8.8 spg, 11 tpg, 5.7 bpg on 44% FG, 45% 3pt, 65% FT

Center :
Adonal Foyle : 7.8 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 3.2 bpg on 40% FG and 56% FT.
Ben Wallace : 11 ppg, 12.8 rpg, 2.7 bpg, 3.2 spg, 3 apg on 43% FG and 48% FT

The Understudy vs. the Master.  Big Ben schooled his ex-teammate, showing why he is the reigning defensive player of the year.  Dominated in every category.

PF :
Pau Gasol : 24 ppg, 12.7 rpg, 3.3 apg, 1.7 spg, 1.7 bpg, 2.7 tpg on 50% FG and 69% FT
Lorenzen Wright : 12 ppg, 10 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1.7 spg, 1.3 bpg, 0.2 tpg on 42% FG and 55% FT.

Gasol won this battle clearly, but Lorenzen did what he had to do.  He rebounded very well, and kept Gasol's shot total down (only averaged 20 attempts per game, 3 less then the previous series)

SF :
Lamar Odom : 20.5 pts, 7.7 rpg, 4.0 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.5 bpg, 4.0 tpg on 47% FG, 21% 3pt, 70% FT
Eddie Jones : 24 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3.3 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.5 bpg, 1.7 tpg on 52% FG%, 54% 3pt%, 100% FT

Well, I would have to give this matchup to Jones, because of his incredible efficiency, and Odom's turnover total.  The two games the Warriors won, Jones was not the Grizz leading scorer.  Out of the 4 they won, he was the leading scorer in 3 of them.
Odd though...  I do not remember any lineup that had Jones at the SF spot, though, which is quite boggling, since he started there.  Must have happened since the Grizz did not highlight Jones and Posey as changing positions from the previus depth chart.

SG :
Marko Jaric : 3.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1.8 spg, 1.3 tpg, 0.7 bpg on 35% FG, 25% 3 and 100% FT
James Posey : 14 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.3 apg, 1.2 spg, 0 bpg, 1.2 tpg on 39% FG, 40% 3pt, 86% FT

This matchup goes to Posey, easily.  Jaric did a decent defensive job, holding Posey to 39% shooting, but Posey was great defensively on Jaric.

PG :
Kirk Hinrich : 7.7 ppg, 8.7 apg, 3.2 rpg, 0.8 spg, 2.5 tpg on 33% FG, 28% 3pt, 50% FT.
Jason Williams : 12.8 ppg, 9.2 apg, 2.5 rpg, 1 spg, 2.2 tpg on 50% FG,  40% 3pt, 87% FT.

Clearly goes to Williams.  Williams played a masterful defensive game against Hinrich.  This is the matchup that decided the series, and Jason Williams came through big time on the defensive side of the ball.


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: NetsGM on May 11, 2005, 09:58:06 AM
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Odd though... I do not remember any lineup that had Jones at the SF spot, though, which is quite boggling, since he started there. Must have happened since the Grizz did not highlight Jones and Posey as changing positions from the previus depth chart.


Could have been.  Or it could be that he changed it after I ran the sim (if you'll notice, he changed it last at like 4:46, which would be 5:46 ET).  But yeah, if you forget to bold things, I do have a tendency to miss them.


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: GoldenStateGM on May 11, 2005, 10:05:59 AM
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Could have been.  Or it could be that he changed it after I ran the sim (if you'll notice, he changed it last at like 4:46, which would be 5:46 ET).  But yeah, if you forget to bold things, I do have a tendency to miss them.

He might have...  But I just did not remember Eddie Jones ever being at the SF spot in any of the Depth charts posted...
I am pretty sure it was a bolding error, which worked out incredibly well for the Grizz.  Odom has a tough time guarding small, quick players like Eddie Jones (Vince shredded him in the regular season)  Jaric could have guarded Jones, but not Odom.
Still, a great run by the 7th seed, to make it to the Conference Finals.  Can't wait till next year :)


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: CavsGM on May 11, 2005, 11:21:26 AM
Quote from: NetsGM
Next year for the playoffs people will PM me their depth charts, so it's private.

If you think about it, coaches don't go to the others before the game and let them know what they're going to do :)

Also, having it like this rewards players who can be online and 5pm and penalizes people who can't.

We'll keep it in the regular season where you post it publicly, since you're not gameplanning for one person, but the playoffs will be private.

Next year.


Great idea. It will be much better like that next season.


Title: Conference Finals Discussion
Post by: GrizzliesGM on May 11, 2005, 12:15:28 PM
i changed that after the sim. I had not realized that it was already done and was just trying to counter you move.