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Title: Tanking rule Post by: NetsGM on April 29, 2005, 10:20:14 AM OK, I've come up with a rule for tanking.
Tanking will not be allowed. It tarnishes the league. It's not a realistic option in the nba, with dissent from owners, fans and players coming down on GM's. It will not be a viable option here, either. The top picks in the draft are meant to be used for bad teams who need the picks to get competitive, not for mediocre teams looking for the one piece to push them over the top. It also hurts playoff teams in the standings, as teams who played you earlier in the year had it harder to get a win than teams who are playing you now. Process If you see a depth chart where you think someone is tanking, send a pm to me. If one team gets 5 tanking nominations, it will go to review. The 3 moderators and I will then decide whether we think your intentions are to tank. It takes a unanimous vote (all 4 of us) in order for someone to immediately be labeled as a tank depth chart. Your box for the week in the check-in will then be marked red. 4 depth charts labaled as "tanks" in a season will give us the option to replace you in the league if we decide to. Moderators, if you do not wish to be in the decison panel, let me know and I will decide on someone to replace you. Criteria for tanking: Unfortunately, there are no set rules we can lay down to squarely say you're tanking. That's why we require a nomination AND a unanimous vote. That way it requires your league mates to be upset at you and complete agreement from us. Here are some of the guidelines we will take into consideration when making the determination if you are tanking. - Are you trying to determine how much you can get from other pieces. If so, this is a valid roster move. - Are you trying to determine the worth of younger players. In combination with these first two factors, which again constitutes a valid roster move. Trying to determine what contribution you can get from a guy with C, D scoring isn't going to fly, as you know they'll never be starters material with those ratings. Again, this is a judgement call. - Are you routinely benching/placing on IR people whom regarly played 30 mpg or more before this and who do not have current injuries. This would be a sign of tanking. These are just some of the criteria. I'll probably be adding more as I think of them. We will not determine if prior dc's were tanked, only starting from sim 11 on. Title: Tanking rule Post by: GrizzliesGM on April 29, 2005, 11:54:35 AM I like this rule, good decision since it keeps the league competitive.
Title: Tanking rule Post by: RaptorsGM on April 29, 2005, 02:32:49 PM Sounds good to me. Thank goodness.
Title: Tanking rule Post by: MavsGM on April 29, 2005, 04:12:09 PM Darn it, now I can't tank. :bs:
Title: Tanking rule Post by: RaptorsGM on April 29, 2005, 04:13:25 PM Quote from: MavsGM Darn it, now I can't tank. :bs: Lol. The boxscores from the last couple sims seem to suggest that you are tanking :) Title: Tanking rule Post by: SunsGM on April 30, 2005, 04:06:48 PM i think its a good rule, and i wolcome being on the commitee that will discuss the possible violations.
However there is a fine line between tanking, and being bad. The sonics gm went from being a finals team to the league worst, and i think he knew what he was doing as he tore his team apart. thats kinda a form of tanking. i just think that everyone should be judicious in their nominations, because it could get out of hand, and we have accusations flying all around if we're not smart about it . Title: Tanking rule Post by: NetsGM on April 30, 2005, 05:54:13 PM There's a difference between making GM moves that are taking a step back before taking a step forward and coaching decisions to throw games.
We're not nomating GM moves, only depth charts. Title: Tanking rule Post by: SonicsGM on April 30, 2005, 05:58:06 PM I don't think that I tanked in any way. I had an old team with terrible contracts. Once I dealt one or two of them away (KVH and Big Z), I was left with not a very good team.
I think that I have been able to turn a bunch of so-so players into picks and cap room for the future. It's ok to take a step back (as the NetsGM stated) for a jump into the future the next year. It is another thing to have a great team and place your three best players on the IR to get a high pick, only to then have your players "healthy" once again for a run. Just my two cents. Title: Tanking rule Post by: SunsGM on April 30, 2005, 05:59:19 PM No, I understand that, and i agree with the idea and premise of the rule, i just worry that some people may just throw out allegations about tanking with any teams that are doing that.
Title: Tanking rule Post by: NetsGM on April 30, 2005, 06:08:13 PM And that's why it requires us to unanimously agree. Simply requiring a set # of votes would simply be a way to get rid of GM's 5 or more people don't like. That would be wrong.
Title: Tanking rule Post by: HornetsGM on April 30, 2005, 06:39:01 PM Also, the rule requires a pm, not an open confrontation in the DC thread. This ensures that the board won't be dominated by talks about who is and who isn't tanking and various responses to the allegations.
I think we should also account for teams who are trying to drive up certain player's value in the market, aka "showcasing." That, to me, is not tanking. For example, in the previous league I played Pietrus over Richardson in season 1 and made him a primary scoring option. This wasn't to try to sink my team; it was designed to showcase a guy for a few sims to boost his stats. It worked, btw... I don't know how the rest of you feel about that type of action though... Title: Tanking rule Post by: NetsGM on April 30, 2005, 07:10:56 PM No, that's fine.
Title: Tanking rule Post by: RaptorsGM on April 30, 2005, 08:06:14 PM Labatt Ice = Wicked Beer.
Title: Tanking rule Post by: BullsGM-old on April 30, 2005, 08:27:54 PM Lol, why'd you delete that post Hornets, I was tryin to interpret what your prof said :)
Title: Tanking rule Post by: HornetsGM on April 30, 2005, 08:29:10 PM Quote from: BullsGM Lol, why'd you delete that post Hornets, I was tryin to interpret what your prof said :) Sorry man, moved it to the "Off topic" thread :D Title: Tanking rule Post by: KingsGM-old on April 30, 2005, 09:48:04 PM Quote from: NetsGM And that's why it requires us to unanimously agree. Simply requiring a set # of votes would simply be a way to get rid of GM's 5 or more people don't like. That would be wrong. as i said, i have no problem,what so ever, to quit if others wants to... Title: Tanking rule Post by: KingsGM-old on April 30, 2005, 09:54:42 PM Quote from: HornetsGM Also, the rule requires a pm, not an open confrontation in the DC thread. This ensures that the board won't be dominated by talks about who is and who isn't tanking and various responses to the allegations. I think we should also account for teams who are trying to drive up certain player's value in the market, aka "showcasing." That, to me, is not tanking. For example, in the previous league I played Pietrus over Richardson in season 1 and made him a primary scoring option. This wasn't to try to sink my team; it was designed to showcase a guy for a few sims to boost his stats. It worked, btw... I don't know how the rest of you feel about that type of action though... belive me or not, that was one of my goals (besides tanking) with the guys like webber and songalia Title: Tanking rule Post by: BullsGM-old on April 30, 2005, 09:58:40 PM Quote from: KingsGM Quote from: NetsGM And that's why it requires us to unanimously agree. Simply requiring a set # of votes would simply be a way to get rid of GM's 5 or more people don't like. That would be wrong. as i said, i have no problem,what so ever, to quit if others wants to... :? Where are you getting this impression? No one wants you to quit Title: Tanking rule Post by: KingsGM-old on April 30, 2005, 10:04:15 PM well, it seems like everything is pointed at me, and every problem starts with me...maybe i'm wrong, but it's just how i feel
Title: Tanking rule Post by: SunsGM on April 30, 2005, 10:21:41 PM Quote from: KingsGM well, it seems like everything is pointed at me, and every problem starts with me...maybe i'm wrong, but it's just how i feel you sir, should do the following 1.) relax 2.) check your pm's 3.) have fun and do what you do in Croatia 4.) relax really were not all picking on you, it might seem that way, but were not. Many of us have been in this league for over a yr, and youre still learning the ropes around here. check your pm and if you still have questions let me know Title: Tanking rule Post by: BullsGM-old on April 30, 2005, 10:25:04 PM Yeah man, this is just for fun
Title: Tanking rule Post by: RaptorsGM on April 30, 2005, 11:46:07 PM Kings, buddy, no one hear hates you. I don't think anyone hear dislikes you. I like you.
You're my buddy. So let's have a good time in this together. Title: Tanking rule Post by: HornetsGM on April 30, 2005, 11:56:13 PM Quote from: RaptorsGM Kings, buddy, no one hear hates you. I don't think anyone hear dislikes you. I like you. You're my buddy. So let's have a good time in this together. :bods: Title: Tanking rule Post by: NetsGM on May 01, 2005, 12:40:16 AM Haha, no kings, that's not what i meant at all.
Anytime you put 30 different personalities together, there are going to be a couple of people you don't get along with. If all you had to do was vote, and there wasn't a cross check in place, then things could begin to get personal. That's all I was saying, and it was directed at noone. Heck, before I became commish, I'm sure there were 5 people you could find who didn't like me (Now, nobody would want to do my job, so nobody would vote me off). It's just the way this is. Nobody here dislikes you. Title: Tanking rule Post by: NetsGM on May 03, 2005, 10:32:20 AM Rules page updated:
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