SSBA

I'm fairly new to sim ball, what is the fine line of tanking?  Obviously the Sixers, Kings have crossed that line but would something like making one of your best players be a 6th man be unethical?

No, it wouldn't IMO.

What the Sixers and Kings are doing is wrong, but there is no way to stop it.

Last year I semi-tanked, so I have nothing against it.

yeah but...i could understand for maybe the last 2 sims or something like that, but this is still a little early for that. Maybe we should run a poll or something eventually as to how we'd want to handle this.

For instance last year I thought about semi- tanking since the Nets and I were so close but didn't because I didn't know it was allowed or not.

Nets posted in the Western Conference Depth Chart forum that there will soon be some sort of rule on it.

You probably just want to wait to see the rule, then follow it

yeah i foresaw problems coming, I had PMed him prior to this thread

not 6th man, they're on injured list..haha..look, i'm a sore loser and i hate to do this, but really that's my only chance and no, it's not too earlie. i'm 27/35, 20 games to go. even if i go 10/10 (highly doubt that) i'm still out of the playoffs. i badly need a fill at the 3rd spot or some kind of depth. lottery is my only chance

Or you could try to make a trade. How many have you made? 1?

I thought about tanking last year when my team was sucking, but decided just to stick with my lineup. I think it's alright for a team to tank when that's their choice.

We'll have to come up with something for definitions for what constitutes tanking.  This is ridiculous.  Thanks to JazzGM, I hadn't gotten to the DC's yet (I FINALLY finished cuts/signings and trades, still doing positional changes and dc's).

That's true. KingsGM must have the least amount of transactions for any team, if not one of the least. Doing nothing for two seasons is not the way to go if you want your team to improve.

I think tanking is BS

Imagine this scenario: A gm doesn't feel like putting in the time to make good trades and instead decides to tank for 3 straight years. He puts the top drafted players on the IL and only comes to the board to check in and say "same" in the depth chart...

This is an extreme example, but where do you draw the line?

man don't tell me about the trades, i've been shoping brad miller,webber and bibby all over the place. i've talked to some 10 or 15 GM and everybody turned my offer down. i even wanted to give miller for some kind of exp and 1 pick and it didn't work. it's not my fault nobody wants big sallary in return.

Kings, let me be frank with you. Your offers are very often one sided. Your sided. Other GM's don't want to make trades that hurt their team. That's the long and short of it.


And of course, it's been rehased a thousand times, but when someone offers you something and you just say "no thanks", it doesn't get a deal done.

90% of trades get nowhere.  of the remaining 10%, i'd say 90% of those get changed muiltiple times.  

It takes time.

I didn't understand that.

i assume you're talking about me, but you're very very wrong! this is the firs t time i've put top players on IL and i do the "same" depth chart every time cause i don't know better. i did some of my own strategy last year, at the beggining of the season and i've sucked big time so i decided to go with PC. that's not cause i'm lazy!

p.s. maybe you should all just mind your own bussines

You tanking is our business. We are in this league, and you are lowering it's integrity.

1) look who's talking??
2) and what am i supposed to do if someone (maybe you) sends me every two days PM with the offer for tracy mcgrady?! even if i said him 100 times that he's not available

i think this is just one of the limitations of a sim...there may be loopholes you can use to your advantage. I understand tanking is part of the game...but this early? In real life you have to worry about ticket sales and the like, we don't have that check here.

Kings, I'm not telling how to run your team, thats obviously your job.  But maybe you should be more open to Tmac trades, superstars come and go just like that in the ssba, look at Marion he was almost traded twice in just as many days.  You could get solid pieces for Tmac, a little to late now though

I am talking about you and the sixers. I said that I gave an extreme example, but my point was where do you draw the line between "bad" tanking and "acceptable" tanking?

I saw what the Kings did (Miller, McGrady and Bibby on the IR), but what did the Sixers do?

you see? that's the problem. everyone wants to talk only about tracy mcgrady! every offer i made or recive it begins and ends with mcgrady. he's my franchise player and i just don't want to trade him, i don't see why is that such a big problem? why don't you go ask NetsGM about okafor? or heatGM about shaq, or ming, or whoever! i was open for all kind of trades, i was willing to give bibby and miller, and i didn't ask for something extra. all of my offers were pretty fairly. didn't i offered you bibby/miller for mercer and barry? ask NetsGM what was my offer. miller for dalembert was the first one, than miller for expirings and picks.i don't know if all of you disagree on that but that's all pretty fair deals to me.
i'm sick of this, i really am. it seems like i'm the only one who's the problem here and the main cause of all the problems...if you guys want, i have no problem to quit...i really don't

First off, all the teams you mentioned are GOOD, your team has some problems.  Usually teams that don't make the playoffs need CHANGES.

And you offer was Miller/Bibby for just Mercer/Barry, I also had to throw in 7 mill in expiring

oh sorry...i guess it was a bad offer then :?

Take a look at some of the last few DC's. Iverson, Duncan on the IL.

YOGI STEWART at the point.

Mercer >> Bibby

Barry+7 mill expiring > Miller (for me since I have Griffin and Curry already)

No, but when you propose a deal, you must make sure it works financially first.  Nobody can accept a deal that doesn't work under the rules (like your miller for gooden offer).  If it can't work, then it's nobody's fault but your own.  It's not my fault that a deal involving miller and gooden couldn't work, and it's not bulls fault that the other deal couldn't work.

Just saying it how it is.

Kings, Bods has already warned you once today about talking about trades in the public forum. I did it to you, you called me out, so why are you still doing it?

oh really? was that the case last year with iverson and mcgrady? or you want to tell me they were really injured?

I liked Miller, we shoulda talked more!

I think you've gotten a lot better with trades. You gave me a good explanation about why you couldn't do the trade I offered, and I appreciated that.
Your attitude has really improved too, and I hope you stay on. There's nothing wrong with waiting for a good trade to come along.

The Kings Gm might not make many moves, but look at the move he did make. Clearly, it was a good trade.
I wouldn't trade T-Mac either  8)

yes i did. we calculated everything and everything was fine

no, i didn't called you out. netsGM did it. i don't have problems with that at all

I'm not saying Kings shuold go out and trade Tmac because of on sub par season, but he should probably explore some possibilities.  Tmac is a franchise player, but for some reason the Kings couldn't gel this season.  This offseason will be huge for the Kings.  A few pieces from the draft and FA market and he's immediately a title contender again

Where did our sim godess go, anyway?

He was here, running all the trades, then he disappeared.

Strange... :bods:

I don't recall enough of that situation to make a comment, but beyond real life, looking at the sim, with 20 games left in the season (many of those against those above the kings in the standings), the kings are only 3.5 games out of the 8th spot...with all of the recent trades, who knows where the kings could be being one of the few teams to keep the same lineup

you see, that's just one of the problems when i communicate with you guys. do you know what's the time right now in my country? it 4 o'clock in the mourning. you think i always have the energy to explain (at least 3 times a day well past midnight) why i dislike or like the offer? think about that

Why are you on here at 4 am??

Go practice you're 360 dunks or something.  :D

I understand that it's tough with the time difference, but it's really hard to make a trade where it's one GM just shooting in the dark. When you give an explanation, even if it's short, it gives the other Gm a much better idea of what is needed. A completed trade is the result of a long process involving both GMs.

you don't practice 360 dunks at 4am. you don't have to practice that at all, either you can do it, or you don't, it's that simple

anyway, i bet that the rapsGM can't even touch the rim... :)

I have 2 slam dunk contest appearances...haha ask hawksGM about how well they went.

I think I've said it before...I can barely though the netting.

Blew out both knees.

So you got me there. But I would just shoot 3's at you all night. :)

Lol, well your one hander and two handers looked nice, and the one contest i screwed up w/the oop :oops: , but the other one was after a long week of playing so it wasn't too great for ya

Slam dunks are nice, but WHERE IS SIM GODDESS WITH THE DAMN SIM? :)

no chance. if you blew out both knees that means you're slow as hell and if you can't even touch the net, that means you're small, so with all that i'd probably have some 10 or 15 blocks per game on you :)

I'm 5'10...but I still have a pretty quick first step. My main skill is passing.

Few things.
1) I said, don't bring private trades out in the public.  Please follow this rule.
2) Kings, you've been doing a much better job with trade offers.  I was seriously considering 2 of the proposals you sent me.  Had I gotten the one a couple of days ago, we might have been able to do something, but I would have had to make moves after the fact for it to make sense for me.
3) Fine, if you don't want to give responses, that's your call.  But realize that without many offers, counter offers, and counters to the counter offers things won't get done.  I don't think I've ever sent a trade that was accepted on the first proposal.
4) If I were you, I'd probably never trade tmac.  Ever.  Those kind of players in SSBA are hard to get.  Keep him and Bibby, build around them.
5) I had stuff to do.  Sue me.

and btw, just because Marion's been traded 2.5x (I'll say 2.5 times because he was almost traded to the raptors), doesn't mean both trades were smart.  In fact, I think both teams who traded Marion away will regret it.

Imagine this, had the Jazz offered Hughes the max contract in FA they would have re-signed him.  Then not panicked with the Kidd trade.  Then still done the Marion trade.

They'd have:
Campbell
Kirilenko
Marion
Hughes
Kidd

WOW.  That's A- defense, A+ defense, A defense, A- defense, A defense.

Not every trade made is a good trade made.

I did go 4 and 1 and i like tsakalidas over cambell, i have daniels (all-star) at point and francis on the bench and 2 extra 1st rounders...Kirilenko is more natural at the 3 and booth's having a breakout season

one of those wins was against the Sonics....not tough to do!

Gonna need your name and address.

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kings i really think that most of the GMs are really trying to help you not to complain. i also noticed that your trade talk improved but you should still invest more time in the talks and maybe the rules.

well if you have mcgrady,bibby,miller and webber in your lineup and you're 10 games under .50 you'd be complaing too. some say depth counts much, ok, i understand that, but then again, heat won the title with practicaly 3 players :?

i'be huge huge diference if i could only talk on my own language ( then i'd probably be more vocal than the rapsGM), i'm pretty good at speaking english but writing gives me a real headache, especially at 3 o clock in the mourning