SSBA

Pistons Trade:
Len Bias

Lakers Trade:
Brandon Roy
Ike Diogu
Paul Pressey
2032 76ers 1st

Pistons Accept...

I believe this has to wait until day 51 as well...

Agreed.

Strange deal.

Bias might have as much impact on the Lakers winning as Roy did ... only Brandon just happens to be 34 mill cheaper over the next 3 seasons (AND at least 12 more over the following two) ... and is 5 years younger ... and has more potential ... and on top the Pistons get Diogu, a first rounder, and a cheap & expiring veteran star ????


This makes less than zero sense for the Lakers, who might as well have turned into the real life Clippers here.
 :bash:

As mush as I wanted to keep my team the same, I had no choice but to try and clear some cap-space...  Now I just have to hope that Roy can play SF and improves a little over the next couple TC's...

I hope for my sake that Roy can't play SF and that Diogu doesn't develop and Pressey hopefully decides he should still play like a pre-season POM and shoot too much and turn it over.  I like the good aggressive move by the Pistons to ensure they stay on top for longer.  Losing Bias will hurt in the next couple sims, until Pistons gets the new rotation figured out.

This appears to be a heavily lopsided deal, favoring the Pistons tremendously.

In all honestly I don't see how it is so much in my favor...  Roy is putting up 20 PPG on one of the worst teams in the league and his defense seems to be below par...  Diogu is a weak defender and rebounder...  Pressey can't shoot and turns the ball over way too much...  The 76ers 1st is likely in the 24-28 range...  I would have rather kept Bias, but I just can't afford him if I want to compete in the future...

sorry but this deal is one of the worst in history of this league. giiving up the 2 best players of the Lakers roster on rookie contracts, an expiring who still is pretty solid and a first for a guy who has a horrible contract, and to top that the lakers aren't even in a win now situation. i hope the LAKERS can explain this, otherwise i assume it is a gift for the pistons before stepping down as the Lakersgm. IMO this move will destroy every possible future for the Lakers, we should consider to veto such deals.

exactly my thoughts.

If the worst team in the league gives it's two most promising rookies (and I consider Roy's 19/5/4 and more steals than TOs on the same level as Bias' 18/5/3 on worse shooting %), the preseason league MVP (i don't overvalue that, but still), and reduces it's salary cap space for the next season from 20 mill to 8 mill, then it's a favor, nothing more.

FYI:
Last season, the Lakers posted 4 DC's and one position change, that's it.
This season, his lone post was a trade block: "Currently looking to trade Oakley and Daugherty. Both can go for picks/expiring."
In that context, this deal makes no sense at all, it's exactly the opposite what the Lakers wanted (and should) do.


Waiting on the Lakers explanation why I should put that crap through. And it better be a good explanation. And a hint on a plan. Any why he wants to stay GM for that matter ...



(sorry Pistons, this is clearly not your fault. but when someone deliberately destroys a team's future - one he doesn't look he's interested in any longer - the league has to do something.)

I don't want to worsen the damage but how Pistons was able to get a reply from LakersGM is beyond me. I've sent the guys like 3 PM inquiries. No reply. 3 same questions. lol

That makes two of us!

From a talent perspective I don't think it's that far off. Diogu is pretty bad, Pressey is way past his prime (and not very good), and Roy's scoring average will drop sharply on the Pistons. The draft pick is pretty useless. Bias is only 28, and is the best player in the trade. For what it's worth, Bias will probably score 25+ on the Lakers.

Of course, it makes no sense for the Lakers because they're not contending, but I don't think this makes them a worse team. But it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Pistons either for that matter.

But, imo, it's clearly not lopsided enough to actually refuse to put the trade through.

If you guys love Diogu and Pressey that much I would gladly send them along to any of you...  Like I said, I am only looking for cap relief and a replacement SF...  Diogu will be riding the pine, but I might let Pressey see 10 minutes of gametime...  And anyone can have the 76ers pick for a future 1st or some cash...

Tend to agree with Hornets here. Seems like Lakers reasoning would be: A) to get the best player in the deal - which he does at the moment, and B) consolidate assets somewhat - by clearing out some replaceable talent (Diogu, the first are exactly that, with Pressey not far behind). There IS merit in clearing out roster junk like that.
Pistons rationale is to get a cheap replacement and save some cap - turning a 13mil (or whatever) Bias into a slight downgrade and about 7mil hit when the pick/Diogu are considered
Roy is the better option for someone in Lakers position, you'd think, and making that kind of salary commitment (to Bias) instead of to Roy for the sake of clearing out abit 4 mil is maybe not the best way to clear stuff out, but that's his deal and call to make.
Not a good trade for him, in my opinion, but not terrible in the "cancellable" sense.

Talent-wise, it makes sense, actually. But I don't know how it helps the Lakers if they are re-building if not contending..

let me ask you all a question:
would you rather have Roy, Diogu (for three/two more cheap years) and Pressey plus 20mill cap space ?
or
would you rather have Bias and his 5yr contract and 8 mill cap space ?


caution: this is a test for your sanity as a GM

I just don't see any logical reason why the Lakers would do this trade. Bias is ONLY as good Roy (statistically) but carries a lot of baggage with his low potential and contract. And what's worse is that he added Diogu and a 1st in the mix.

Is it lopsided? I'm not that sure that this trade falls into that category if you look at it at the talent stand point. Because like I said, I don't see any value in Roy and Diogu. But if you look at the Lakers squad, what's disturbing is that he basically traded his most valuable assets (aside from his 1sts), for Bias.

There is a lot of question marks in this trade. But one thing is certain, we certainly need a GM who cares more for his team than the LakersGM.

 

Relax there buddy, I'm not giving you any reason as to why this should be put through. If you want to question how I run a team, look at my Heat roster in SBL, or my Hornets in RBSL.

If you want to cancel this trade because I'm not providing an explanation, you can find yourself a new GM. I've given 4 DC's in 2 seasons? Sorry if it's hard to keep track of the sim's inbetween the 12 week layoffs every season.

everybody else seems to put in their depth charts on time.

You can't even get a DC in when I give you 12 weeks? Lame ...
 :lol2:

Anyway, I maybe overreacted with my thoughts of denying the deal here, thanks Hornets and Nets for getting me straight on that. After all, it's the Lakers that have to live with this, and he's a veteran GM (plus, I re-checked - and that has to be mentioned, too - he got draft lists and FA bids in last offseason, so it's not like there's no activity)

So let's get the Pistons a better future here, and see if the present will be suffering.

For the time being, the Pistons will exceed the hard cap with this trade, so their first rounder is blocked from trading and they will face the known penalties ...
 :cheers:

"the trade would result in the Pistons having too many players"

well i still don't like it. and hornets and nets would never do such a trade even if it is talent wise pretty even at the moment. i am sure 95% of the gms wouldn't even find a reason to make such a trade and loose most of the cap space for getting an older player on the downside of his career.

I wouldn't have done the trade if I were the Lakers, but there have been a lot of trades made in this league that I wouldn't have made (including some of my own, in hindsight).

Consider this possibility: the Lakers continue to lose and get a top draft pick who is an impact player. He then will have 3 core guys to build around: Bias, Williams, Pick. Then, if he doesn't resign any of his players, he can offer a near-max contract to an FA. That nets him 4 quality players and puts the Lakers in contention for a title.

Is that likely? Probably not, but it's worth a shot if he's sick of losing.

Might be the minority but I'm with the Nets and Hornets here. Looks great for the Pistons, but not hard for me to see the justification for either sides.

How can you say Bias is on the downside of his career???  So are you telling me all players peak the 1st year after their rookie contract???  That just doesn't make sense...

Pistons Trade
Len Bias
Billy Joe Van Horn

Lakers Trade
Paul Pressey
Brandon Roy
Ike Diogu
76ers 1st

Agreed.

Ok, I will provide my reasoning here...

1) I hold little value in Diogu. He'll never start, he's one of those players you can pick up with the LLE in free agency that'll help with depth purposes.

2) At 21-9, the 76ers pick holds little value to me. I'll pick up a marginal rotation player late in the draft, and be on the hook for 4 years with that contract.

3) Pressey was signed strictly so I can proceed to deal him. Would I get value for him should I had shopped him? Perhaps.  But considering the 'fire sales' that happen in this league...how much could I get for him at 32 years old?

4) Yes, Roy is young. Yes, he's signed for the next 3 years, and yes, he can score. However, I've seen little progress with him. Will he get better? Perhaps...but I don't see him getting significantly better anytime soon.

5) I do really like Bias, he's got good offensive/defensive ratings...and produces. He's only 28 years old as well.

6) If I can trade Daugherty (which I think I may be able to), and get some value for players like Oakley and Robinson...I'll still have a significant amount of cap room.