Training Camp thread

[SpursGM-old]

Had a strange TC.  8 players dropped 1 in ratings; one stayed the same.  Bright side is that 3 of the 8 increased one in potential.

I had 4 guys increase just 1 in ratings...key one being Tony Parker who went to A- in handles.  Biggest surprise was Kundla who exploded.  He went up +1outside, +2 defense and +1 rebounding.  Made the signing of Kittles for the MLE a waste...too bad you can't trade MLE players.

Other nice surprise was Rasho went up +1 in handles and defense.  Overall though my team gained just +2.

[SixersGM]

Im extremely thrilled on how my backcourt guys did during the TC.

Mike James Before TC:
C B+ B- B+ C- C

Mike James After TC:
C A- B- A- C- B

and

Allen Iverson Before TC:
B+ B- B- A D+ C

AI After TC:
A- B- B A D+ B

Not only that their skill ratings did went up 2 or 3 "levels", but their potential did went up.

[GoldenStateGM]

the new draft class is up....i guess i should start looking at it

Weak class.

Agreed...  Another class with some great point guards...  But there might not be a consensus one/two/three like there was last year...

[NetsGM]

This was asked before.

Nobody's weight changed during tc.  So that means nobody's weight will likely ever change during their careers.

[HawksGM]

the new draft class is up....i guess i should start looking at it

Weak class.

Agreed...  Another class with some great point guards...  But there might not be a consensus one/two/three like there was last year...

Yea this class is real weak, there is one guy who would have been a sure top 5 in the last draft, all the other top guys would have been top 10 in the last draft at best

[PacersGM]

the new draft class is up....i guess i should start looking at it

Weak class.

Agreed...  Another class with some great point guards...  But there might not be a consensus one/two/three like there was last year...

i think there are some real good players but nobody will dominate but there may be a new Rafael Araujo  

[GoldenStateGM]

Just for fun...
Here are the biggest improvers (not including changes in potential)
Lavar Piatkowski - up 5
Earl Boykins - up 5
Garret Pettit, Jameer Nelson, Trent Kundla, Hunter Summit, Jason Richardosn, Mickael Pietrus, Juan Cunningham all up 4

Looks like this is the year of the pint-sized point guard, with Boykins and Mercer being pretty good...  

[NetsGM]

Best Individual Training Camps:
+5:
Lavar Piatkowski
Earl Boykins

+4:
Garrett Pettit
Jameer Nelson
Mickael Pietrus
Hunter Summitt
Trent Kundla
Jason Richardson
Juan Cunningham

Worst Individual Training Camps:
-3:
Ervin Johnson
Juwan Howard
Raja Bell

-2:
(too many to list, some notable ones)
Wally Sczcerbiak
Vince Carter
Andre Miller
James Posey
Eddie Jones
Damon Stoudamire.

Best scoring increase:
+3:
Mickael Pietrus
Hunter Summitt
Jason Richardson

Biggest Scoring Decrease:
-2:
Malik Rose
Juwan Howard
Raja Bell

Lavar Piatikowski was the only one to improve +3 on defense.  some notable +2's include Ben Gordon, Dwight Howard, Hector Strom and Trent Kundla.

Biggest change in handles:
+2:
Emeka Okafor
Jeff McInnis
Earl Boykins
Troy Havlicek

Best team training camps:
Nets (+15) --> Shallow, I'll explain why.
Suns (+14)
Magic (+12)

Worst Team Training Camps:
Knicks, Grizzlies and Sonics at -7

Biggest scoring change: Magic +6
Worst is the Wizards and Clippers at -3

Biggest change in defense: Suns +7
Worst: Grizzlies at -3

Updated highest ranked team: 76ers
Lowest ranked team: Grizzlies

Highest scoring: Mavs
Lowest: Sonics

Best Defense: 76ers
Worst: Blazers

[NetsGM]

why my increase was shallow.

I increased +15 in tc.  great.

My entire scoring only increased +2 (+2 outside, Pettit and Wagner).  My entire defense only improved +2 (Pettit and Okafor).

My biggest increases came from ballhandling in the frontcourt (Eschmeyer, Krstic, McCloud all +1, Okafor +2) and rebounding in the backcourt (Pettit, Harris, Wagner and Daniels all +1.

+11 in those two cats.  ballhandling is the least important attribute for a big man and rebounding least important for a pg, yippee.

To contrast, the team with statistically the 2nd best tc (suns):
+4 in scoring, +7 in defense.

[MagicGM]

dbodner, you just blew me off will all the list you came up with...

anyway, it's good to see my team being top 3 in biggest improvement this year.. Dwight will certainly be a force to reckon.. can't wait for the next TC..  

[GoldenStateGM]

Just did my analysis for the enxt darft class...
After using the potential information from the last training camp to redefine my calculations...

This next class is lacking big men...  Although anyone that needs a guard... Merry Christmas.
My breakdown for the top 30
C - 4
PF - 5
SF - 4
SG - 9
PG - 8

[NetsGM]

I also did the average rating increases for each level of potential (A, B, etc).  Oh, but I'm not divulging that data

[GoldenStateGM]

I also did the average rating increases for each level of potential (A, B, etc).  Oh, but I'm not divulging that data

Well, of course not...  and neither am I... lol
But, I have a feeling ours are pretty close.  I was quite surprised by the average increases, truth be told...  It will take a couple more years to see if this year was an aberration or not...

[NetsGM]

Yeah.  Also, let's say players with an A potential increased on average of 4.24 (obviously not, just throwing out a random number).  That doesn't take into account future years.

What will be interesting (and I'll probably only do this on my team) is track players through multiple years.  For example, Okafor and Pettit are going to be A potentials for at least 2 years.  So while that A number might be low, it's not indicative of how much they'll ultimately increase.

I think when all is said and done the formula I gave out in the thread about potential in the Questions forum will be fairly close.

[OldNuggetsGM]

I'm in the middle of doing my own analysis.  Took quite a while to get all the information together, what with work and family and all.  So it'll be interesting to see if my analyses match up with both of yours.

But Boykins damn near dropped me out of the chair when I saw his TC.  He was only a C potential, and moved from a B handle and outside to an A- in both.  His defense also improved one.  Had I known that, I would've probably not resigned Miller.

Ray Allen improved +1 outside, but unfortunately dropped -1 in defense.  Gooden had a nice TC, moved up +1 in defense and rebounding (and kept his B potential).  Skita and Collison both jumped up to A potential, and Camby dropped to a C (even though not a single category changed).