SSBA

The Rupp incident raised concerns about prior actions.  Members (I won't specify names) began talking about Giddens, how his ratings by the end of the season seemed larger than they remember.

So I talked to Jem.  He sent me his last save file, the exact one he sent to you.  This save file was at the 1st day of the season, after training camp has been simmed.  Since that time, the 120 day schedule has been simmed, the playoffs have been simmed, the player re-signing period has been simmed, and the season has ended, leaving us currently at the draft.

No training camps have been simmed.  Training camps are the only time player attributes can change.  No ifs, ands or buts.  The program will never change a players attributes at any other point.

So, looking at JR Giddens:

JR Giddens ratings at day 1 of the season:
J.R. Giddens SG 22 6'6'' 200 A- C+ C- B+ C- A
His ratings by the end of the season:
J.R. Giddens SG 23 6'6'' 200 A B C A- C A

That's +1 inside, +2 outside, +1 handles, +1 defense, +1 rebounding. that his stats have changed since the season began and player attributes have remained the same.

Just to make sure I wasn't crazy, I checked 5 teams to see if anyone else has changed.  I checked the rest of the Sixers and Pacers  lineups, the Nuggets lineup, the Timberwolves lineup and the Heat lineup.  No other players have had their attributes changed.

Furthermore, I attempted to run the trade you made  (J.R. Giddens and Austin Croshere for James Posey and Jerome Williams).  Declined.  In fact, even offering the pacers one of your 1st round picks the trade wouldn't go through.

So, Twan.  I'm asking you bluntly.  

DID YOU CHEAT BY EDITING GIDDENS ATTRIBUTES?

I'm sorry it's come to this.  Well, actually I'm not.  You've brought this upon yourself by your actions.  And if there's one thing that can kill an FBB league it's a dishonest commish.

OK, well, I hope that the transfer of power is relatively painless, if this is true, which I happen to feel looks pretty definitive. I know that I have spent a lot of man hours behind this. There's no reason why this needs to fold IMO.

If it does fold, well, I'll see yall soon in a new league.

nuggets sounded very convincing... THIS IS A BIG ISSUE....i hope we can have a response from Twan fast...

What's going to happen next? :cry:

Depends upon Twan's level of cooperation.

I think it will take some time, since he told us that he is buying a new PC.

If this is true, I have also speculated, I hope it doesn't mean the end of the SSBA, if it does somebody e-mail me about some new leagues please

It won't end.  Worse case scenario one of two things happen (and we'd vote on this, assuming twan doesn't e-mail someone the current save file).

1) We sim the 2006 season over.  I have the save file at the start of the season.
2) We start over.  From the beginnig of the 2005 nba rosters.

alright, i think that either way would be good myself but my guess is most people don't want to lose all they've done w/their teams...

It's really too bad, isn't it.

I'm thinking that maybe the 06 season SHOULD be simmed again, as alot of teams lost team a team that was alegedly cheating.

Did the Sixers had like a winning streak of 20 or more, something like that.  I have been in many sim leagues but never seen a team won so many games in a row.

It was more than that. They basically win from all-star break to the last sim, where they lost to the Jazz.

Yea the last time I checked it was like a 30+ game win streak, that's unreal...

I just hope Twan sees this and can justify what he did.

He's a good friend, and I'm saddened by this. I hope that he didn't ceat.

You spell the word CHEAT wrong. :)

Well, this is just bad news.  I hope this isn't what actually happened.

If we re-sim the entire season, do all the trades (I made a few good ones, I think) stick?

Just curious.

Hopefully we can just continue.  If not, let's figure something out.

Celts, this issue isn't resimming the issue by choice.

If Twan doesn't give up the current file, we will have to go back and use the last one Jem had, which means you rtrades will not be there.

Just when i thought that my team is very capable of being the next SSBA champion..  :(

Well guys, if Twan hasn't replied by the end of the weekend, I think it might be best to assume that he isn't going to, and begin moving forward with the league.

I agree, the longer we sit and wait the more chance GM's will lose interest

I also agree..

LETS GET THE DRAFT KEEP ROLLING!

There's not much point in pushing the draft forward if we don't know if the draft is even going to count.

Yea, I think that sometime Sunday or Monday we should move forward, give twan a little time, although i'm guessing he won't come back at all

Unbelievable.  Who would cheat at a game like this?

Tell me about it, I just fired a guy in my league for trying to GM two teams. Dumbass must not have realised I check IP's

I have been in couple of leagues where commish edit their players ratings.  Stuff like this happen all the time.

I just want to put in my 2 cents on the issue of what should be done if we don't get the current file...

I think it's unfair to the GMs who made "good" trades to just throw out those trades like it didn't happen. It's the equivalent of punishing someone for being a good GM...

Aside from the obvious trade that should not go through (Giddens), I think the most fair thing to do would be to do would be to reconstruct from the "completed trades" threads that are easily accessable to all of us. There aren't an overwhelming number of them, and it wouldn't be difficult to do (I'd be happy to take the time to do it).

I will be the most penalized if we re-run the season; I lose the championship. I don't have a problem with that, but what I do have a problem with is losing my work for no reason.

The other problem is there's absolutely no way to re-do the draft.  There's no way to generate that exact draft without the save file.  I've made 2 major trades to completely re-shape my team from that draft.

Also, how do we handle midseason trades?  Process them at the beginning of the season, wait until the middle?

I'm afraid that we won't be able to do anything about the draft... A time consuming solution would be to take the ratings of each player and try to approximate the more detailed ratings. Remaking an entire draft file is a time consuming process though. It would be hard to find someone impartial enough and willing to take the time to do it. Also, the "potential" thing might be problematic. Some sort of randomization might have to be used.

As far as mid-season trades, I would process them at the beginning, overriding any trade restrictions on them. This basically has the effect of starting as if it were 2007, even though we are replaying the 2006 season.

edit: I messed up the years...

That might work.  Although it would essentially be throwing away the 2006 season certainly the stats, as they'd all be wrong).

Best case scenario is still Twan sends the file.

Damnit, I wish Twan would just step up AND BE A MAN.

How about we do this:


Start the season over, but include every trade minus the Giddens deal that happened before the trade deadline.

Then, put up a new draft file, computer generated if you have to.

This way, those who made good deals will not be punished, and those who have made deals for the draft do not have to keep those deals (If they traded for a certain player in the draft).

What do you all think?

I think that the problem with throwing out the draft is that people like this draft a lot and they don't want to throw out the trades they made. Still, there are a lot of issues to recreating the draft file, which I've already mentioned...

I think your solution is a good alternative to recreating the draft.

dammit....twan's AIM is online but he is not responding...i think it's hopeless getting the file back.....He cheated, he got caught and the poor boy left....wat an ass.....

well.. if twan is still posting on realgm... we really got a problem...

If he hasn't responded by tonight at 7 (assuming I'm still sober from the eagles game  :lol: , I'd only need a drink if we lose), I'm posting up two polls.  1 about the commish voting, and one about how we handle where to start from.

Since he's been pretty active at RealGM, (T-FAR), I'd say he's done with SSBA.

If he doesn't show up by 7, I'm blocking him on MSN and AIM, and ignoring him on RealGM.  :evil:

He admitted to it when talking to WarriorsGM.  Time to move on.

Dammit.

Oh that pisses me off.

Let's move on.

Hey, i think this issue has been already been decided. I hope someone can delete this topic. Like the rapsGM said, lets move on. FAST! :D We've already wasted a lot of time in these nonsense. :D