SSBA

Ok, link on the left (Draft Preview) works.

Hopefully that's the last time.

Sorry to ask, but why is it different to the former one?

Looking at our new draft preview (we're another month past where we were last time)...

Only 1 high school kid has declared, and he was only rated 10th in the class.  IMO that's good.  Let those 7 five star prospects go to college and get a clue.  It seems like with using FBCB it's much closer to real life than FBB, where Oscar Ferry would come in with no potential and dominate right away.  

Villanova has an AMAZING ballhandling pg, who unfortunately is only an adequate offensive and defensive player.  

Not much else that's jumping out at me now.  Zona has a nice potential scoring pg.

http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=19738#19738

http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player1910.htm

Looks like he might translate well into the pro's.  Not a great defender, but not a complete liability either.

Holy sh*t I just found my pg.  Take a look (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player827.htm)  Look at that A/to  :shock:

Too bad he's one dimensional offensively and can't stop anyone.

It'll be interesting to watch this kid develop (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player1083.htm) at st. joe's over the next 4 years.  Could become an INCREDIBLE offensive and defensive player, even if he's not your prototypical ballhandler.

and this sophomore from temple (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player971.htm), although he's a bit undersized.

Could this guy be a pg in the pro's (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player619.htm)?

And those are stats after they've played 7 games against top 50 teams and 11 of 13 against top 100.

And look at the pg's on that team.  The current starter is a great pg distributor and defender.  Then the incumbent pg (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player616.htm) could be incredible when all is said and done.

And man...UCLA's already got the top recruit (PG) (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/recruits/recruit87.htm) comitted.

This is kinda neat :)

Kentucky landed three of the top 11 prospects.  Not a bad haul.

Seems like bods is really getting a hard-on for the FBCB thing...

it gives me more time to waste on something i already waste far too much time on.

^^^  I can agree with that one...

I can REALLY agree with that ;)

I can see some underclassman have already declared for the draft.  Any idea if some underclassmen will declare later?

Who's already declared?

And I'm not sure if various others will declare as the season goes on.  This is the first time I've done it as well.

Damn, there is a PG with a 15 a/to ratio.

He's mine.

Yeah, unfortunately he's very one dimensional offensively and can't defend a lick.

He could eventually develop into a 3 pt shooting chamberlain, though.

Hate to mention the guy..  But Alphonso Butler of Michigan State.  Under notes, says he declared for the draft.

Bah, who cares about defense.

A+ defenders are apparently overrated anyway, look at mine :)

Ah, he's on Michigan State, top 15 team, I eventually would have noticed him.

Yeah, incredible offensive player, has room to improve both defensively and ballhandling.  Depending on his potential, he could be a top 5 pick.

13.6 pts in only 24 minutes.  1.6 pps and those %'s are incredible :shock:

Unfortunately he's injured for another 33 days :(

But that will give us time to look at his backup, a sophomore (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player2509.htm) who loooks like he could be a player in 1-2 years.

Gotta love the 2nd best scorer is a Canadian. Too bad he's a PG with D- pass rating and D potential for itb :roll:

lol at the top shot bocker being a D pot defender.

and am i the only one seing that te top 10 scorers are all sg or pgs?

That's usually the way it is in college.  How many 20/10 pf's go through college anymore?

your mom goes to college!!

but yeah, yu're right.

Be interesting to see how his abilities translate to the pro game...

I think he is a top 5 pick...  but we shall find out when the season ends...  Possibly the top pick.  I think he is Pettit-like.

But he has alreday declared for the draft.  Only player I have seen like that, that I noticed so far.

Yeah, I haven't noticed.  I noticed a couple last time.  I think on teh test sim I did about 10 or so declared (that's underclassmen and high school).

The guy who came out of high school wasn't All-American or didn't even win the Mr. Basketball in his state of Utah.  Don't know why he came out, he could be an athletic freak with a load of potential I guess.  He might not get picked first round

Just noticed Kevin Bergstrom, SG, Boston College (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player4521.htm).  Very good 2-way player.  Good athleticism.  Not much of a ballhandler, at all, though.

Yeah, the guy who declared from High School looks like a dud.  45.6% ft from a sf?  twice as many turnovers than assists?  2.5 steals and 2.2 blocks could mean he's a good defender, or just that he's 4" taller than everyone he's playing against.

yea, but I agreed with the Nets earlier statement that it's good the top guys went to college so we can see how they play against some real competiition.

Im actualling hoping to acquire him. He sounds like a defensive nightmare ala Andrei Kirilenko.

I wonder if foreign guys are more likely to go straight to the NBA like real life rather than high school.  That Liam Short guy on the high school list is from Austrailia and hasn't commited yet, but I think I might like to see him come out.  He looks to be ok to me.  He can't shoot a lick but seems to be more of an inside scorer and judging by his frame he can probably run the floor.  He also looks to be a good defensive player.

He's also apparently not the brightest:
GPA:     2.09
 Test Score:    880

lol, i wonder if that plays a role too, Gill wasn't too bright either with a 2.3 and 990

I can't see how that would translate into FBB, I think that's just for FBCB production.

Except maybe potential?  I have no idea.

maybe it helps w/to's.  Like maybe on fbb Antonio Daniels is a genius and that's why the Jazz dominate every playoffs.  His ratings aren't great but maybe he's smart and makes the correct decisions.

Well, there's no intelligence attribute in FBB, that's the thing.  The # of TO's you make is determined by your "handling" attribute (which is combined with "passing" RE: assists to get the "handles" we see).

Now, maybe guys in FBCB who are smart have higher "handling" attributes?  Dunno.

Theo Macedo (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/recruits/recruit1097.htm) looks like the best prospect coming out of high school to me.  Good %'s (particularly 3pt, which not many high schoolers have), good rebounder, forces turnovers.

Darn you Nets... Stop telling everyone about the good players. :)

He is high on my list... lol

Is anyone else trying to identify as many top seniors as possible to track whether or not they enter the draft, and if not, what attributes stopped them from doing so?

Lol...  nope.

I will have not started tracking anything yet.  Just started looking at all the players. You have been working hard on his so far :)

I probably won't try to look at why someone didn't enter the draft until after sim 6 when we know exactly whcih ones won't be in it.

Oh right, I guess the stats, boxscores, and ratings will all still be there for everyone in FBCB.  For some reason, I was thinking that when the season was over, we would lose all of that information.

Nah, I'll keep everything up.  Especially since we won't be starting the next FBCB season for quite some time.

I won't even look hard at the players until I know for sure who is entering the draft.  IMO it would be very frustrating to track someone then find out he didn't even make the cut for the draft.  Not to mention the time involved to track 15-20 players.

After the draft list is released I'll narrow the field of 100 down to the top 40-50 prospects then look more closely at their college production.  As the Warriors (I think) said the other day it will be more important with the middle picks than the top 10.  Also it may help to decide if you want to offer a 2nd rounder the option year.

http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/

January and February up.

Next sim (Sunday) we'll finish the fbcb season and know who declares

those box scores come in handy, I noticed a guy that I have been overlooking because of the one game I looked at, I hope to get him in the draft too.

Yeah, especially when we know the ones who declare, the boxscores will be helpful to go back and look at how they did against good teams (or good opposing players/draftees).

definitely, I'm sure you already saw the guy I'm talking about, but he has one HUGE question about him because of the position he plays but I'm wiling to give him a shot.

I think I found my PF..Steven Buehluer, Flordia.  :shock:

lol, that's the player i was talking about, he's only 6'6

Look at those ratings though...and he's declared...damn.

yea he's awesome but if size plays a factor it might hurt a little bit

He seems to be a slightly shorter version of Kirilenko, with less 3pt ability...  But his defense and rebounding... ultimate shut down SF...

If I'm looking for a PF, though, I'd go with Scott Dickman (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player4181.htm) from Cininnati

And who wouldn't want a guy called Dickman on your team?

Bueler has a B potential in prd, and already an A psd.  He also has an A in steals, with an A in blocks, and A's in both rebounding.  DPOY candidate.  

Dickman is good, but not that good.

Buehler's going to have to pick up his ballhandling and 3 pt shot to play the 3 in the pro's.  right now he's a lot like Drew Gooden.  Good, but not dominant.

Right now he has a propensity to foul, and he's not athletic at all (C- quickness, C jump, C- stamina).

There's a real nice guard who's declaring early, but I won't spoil the fun of discovering him and his stats on your own.

I'm very tempted to go ahead and finish off the college season now.

I think next year I'm going to do half the season one sim, the second half the other, then do the NCAA tournament the 3rd.

AI part 2 (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player4037.htm)?

Every time you do that, Bods, I feel my efforts are for nothing     :x

lol, ok, i'll stop.

Why give away the good players to others  :wink:
Mention the ones that look good on apper, but really kinda suck...  You and I can split the realy good ones.  :D

Luckily, I think I may have found some gems on teams that are not in the top 25 (or top 50, for that matter)

But don't count on those guys declaring for the draft.  That's what we discovered from the previous draft preview, that good players (seniors) from the smaller, less prestigious schools didn't make it to the draft for whatever reason.

I will just have to live with my hopes and dreams...
When you say good players, do you mean stats wise, or ability wise?

I thought they were good players.  But they seemed to be one- or two-dimensional, i.e. really good shooters but only average defenders.  They certainly weren't stars by any means, but potentially solid role players, e.g. guys with A 3PT and A JMP.  

But that could've been a small sample size error too, so who knows.

got i'm such a dork.  I can't wait to officially see who declares :P

I think players declear before the season start or something like that.

underclassmen have, yes.

you still don't know exactly which seniors will be in the draft.

Where do you find if an undersclassman has declared or not?

The only way on that page is to look at each players page, under "Scholarship, Health, Status" it'll say Notes: declared for draft.

However, I did find this:
http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/earlydepartures.htm

But for some reason it's not linked to anywhere on the site.

I'll have to make a draft page as well I guess.

Is it official that you will be doing the final run on Sunday?
Trying to figure out trades, and I have absolutely no idea how these college stats and abilites will translate to our league. It looks like a great draft, but the players could get sucky in the transition.

that's what it says on the calendar, yes :)

are these type of rookies better than the players we had before?

That's a good question, but I also want to know the other way around: couldn't these guys be TOO GOOD for SSBA ?

As far as bods told us there is a functionality to get the College players into our draft file. But what if these guys are far, far better than those generated by FBB (i mean other than the Cavs and their 27 draft picks becoming perennial champs for the next decade) ?

Don't want to sound too negative, but this could very well kill the balance in our league ...

I've been in other leagues where the draft files have been imported from FBCB and the drafts are usually no stronger or no weaker than the regular FBB created draft files. There are good drafts and bad drafts but overall the talent level will stay roughly the same.

Nets checked it before he decided to actually use the college basketball stuff.  Some of the Drafts were good, and some bad, so it was pretty even.

Although, Bods, since you are the only one with experience in how players translate to the SSBA...  Would you consider this a good class, average class, or bad class?

I would be surprised if this draft is substantially better than previous drafts.  Especially because I don't think many (any?) of them will be immediate 2-way players.

That's the biggest I saw from how they translated.  Unless they're lock-down in college, they won't be good defenders as rookies.

Out of curiosity, what would you consider lockdown?  A defense in their primary (C and PF psd, and PG, SG, SF prd) and maybe at least a C in their non primary?

Now are you talking abou this coming 2010 draft ? I thought we'd start with the 2011 draft using the College guys  :?:



damn, I traded my pick on this assumption ...

what is psd and prd?

PSD = post defense
PRD = perimeter defense

The decision to use the college players was made a while back.

psd is post defense and prd is perimeter defense.
http://www.fbbgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3776

Celtics: this coming draft will be using the college draft.  We changed it.  Here are my reasons why it was being changed, as well as me asking if anyone would have a problem with it.  Unfortunately at this point we're at the point of no return.
http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=19711#19711

Warriors: If a player doesn't have an A in his primary (post, perimeter) and an A in his "stats" (block and steal), I wouldn't expect him to be higher than a B coming into the league.

Make sense.  SG's and SF's are the worst, it looks like.  I think Ben Brown of this last draft is the first SG or SF to enter the league as an A- defender.

Centers and PF's seem to be able to get the A- moniker much easier, as PG's do as well.

Any idea how the potential translates?  Is the potential generated from the collegiate potential (which we can see by ability), or changed to a pro potential?
It does not look many of the players comig out will have much potential, since most of the college players seem to have maxed it out, and many are playing above their potential.

no idea on potential. i'm still not sure how that works.

So, if I understand correctly, on Sunday I will see who declares for te draft, and what their FBB ratings are?

^^ yay or nay?

yes.

Excellent. I wasn't sure if we would have FBB ratings until after the draft (I've never been a part of something like this).

At least this gives us time to trade or trade for draft picks depending on wether we like the preview.

bods, if a player has got 247 days of injury will that carry over into the next season?

IE

http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player2960.htm

It will not carry over for drafted players, no.

I'm not sure if he was going back to college if it would carry over.  I don't think so though.

I believe that it does carry over if he were to be returning to school. You are right, though, it does not carry over to the draft.

I wonder if it does knock his draft potential. Young players in FBB who get injured for long periods of time (usually greater than 20-30 games) suffer a drop in their potential (between 0-10) - I wonder if they suffer a similar drop in FBCB and, if so, it carries over to their pro potential.

Hmm.

Not impressed.

agreed. although there are a lot of good pgs, as usual...

Pretty good 1-2-3 in Berkowitz, Shultz and Buehler.

this might be the worst center class i have ever seen.

but also one of the best pf.

Yeah, I'm glad I traded Mihm now. I should be able to get one of the top 2 PF's.

that high school kid looks awful.  awful.

http://ssba.phillyarena.net/players/player600.htm

Yeah, that's just plain stupid.

Not really impressed with this new system (although I totally agree with putting it to use).

Our league is going to become one with NO DEFENSE.

the high school kid was the 10th best prep player in the class.  talk about a bad decision, lol.

The system's more to give people a better idea of who they're drafting than it is to infuse the league with more talent.

Unless, of course, they develop defense.

Having been in other leagues where this has been done, I have seen strong defensive drafts and weak defensive drafts. It will eventually balance itself out.

Rookies that enter the NBA are usually not great at defense right away. In fact, very few are even good. Some of these guys will develop into defensive studs and some will not. I think this way is quite realistic.

Of course.

But for most, it's going to take quantam leaps.

Man, this guy better learn how to play shooting guard in this league  :lol:

yeah. it definitely compensates for the poor PFs in yester drafts.

Yeah, I know, that sucks.

The top 2 PFs are 6'8, 233 and 6'6 225.

Look at the 5 7 footers though.

They all suck.

Hopefully no one traded for a pick when we had the last draft preview, thinking they would be getting a C. I would feel bad for them.

Jack Vice is another interesting prospect....and another 6'6 PF.

These guys are going to get creamed in this league.

Damn I wish some of these PG's had better defense.

With B defense, Bollinger and O'Connel would be the best prospects we've ever seen.

well, my centers could come in handy now. :D

anyway, talk about potential ratings from their college profiles.

will the potential ratings eventually pan out?
for example

http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player485.htm

will he be able to have a sure-fire ratings of:

   
or this guy could rather turn out to be a bust.

cause the kid does sound impressive.

He's a terrible defender though.

He'd probably be another B- B- offensive player with C defense.

Well, those potentials on the college site are for against college competition.  Those displayed aren't mean to be an indication of the guy's potential once he's imported to FBB.  

Remember, FBB only has one potential variable.  It doesn't contain individual potentials for each skillset.  I would guess all those potentials are combined to form the one potential were used to, not directly translated over to FBB (although current skills and athletic attributes are).

And that guy most likely will be a bust.  Look at that defense.

damn.. the smokescreen didn't work :D

hahaha

Good try though :)

B B+ offensively with D+ defense (with C potential, OUCH).

Could probably drop 20 ppg right off the bat though
http://ssba.phillyarena.net/players/player110.htm

Oh ha, I didn't see him in the preview.

;)

so, it would be advisable if we scout like we did before, eh? :D

I'm just going to go into this draft with the mentality that these players are going to get better defensivly.

What do you mean scout like you did before?  There was no scouting before.  You looked at ratings and you drafted.

This gives you the ability to scout.  Let's you see how they did against competition and let's you get a little grasp on their skillset.  That's all the college site is for.

I mean just base it through the ratings they have on the page.

Well, no.

The college site will give you a more in-depth look at those ratings.

potential just doesn't carry over on a per-attribute basis.

i'd put brice in the top 3 or 4

brice 6'5 SG
B- inside B- outside B+ handling A potential
I'd be excited to put him in the PG position.

C defense.

Berkowitz is my number one pick. Have we ever had a A- reboundner in a draft, let alone oe with A potential?

Anyone else notice that all of the decent prospects are wildly undersized?

There's too many players that are 24 years old.

yeah, but only 2 of them are undersized.

But the top big guys are. And there's a 5'7 PG.

erm...i didn't mean that.  i meant only two of them are worth a damn.

i have issues at times.

I know.

Trust me.

well, I have to be honest, the translation to pro abilities is quite boggling.

Players who were shut down defensive players only come in with C or C+ defense.  And these players have better physical abilities then any of the top players.  Look at Reginald Peterson of Wake Forest.  Thought he would be a defensive monster, but he ends up being just terrible...

well, i think what it shows is that nobody is going to come in and be a defensive monster in the pro's from college.  Which is probably a little more realistic than before, when we had 18 year olds like Oscar Ferry come in and be an A- defender right off the bat.  

But i definitely thought someone like thath would be a B defense or so.

Especially with his excellent physical skills (A quick, C strength, A+ jump)
Ony thing that makes any sense is that the compueter seems to preefr players with good steal and bloacking, instead of the psd and prd.

That would explain why Schutz is the best wing defender... A steals and B blocks.


Bods, if you run the translation again, do the players come out the same?

no idea, and I don't have the save of before the end of the college season to try it again.

greg oden.. hehe :D

trev should probably know him ;)

the raptors suck. I mean in real life... (no pun intended)

is it just me or is it that most great senior international players didnot declaro for the draft?

this class does seem to have the worst sf class, btw. :-S

Worst SF, and probably the worst center class as well.
But the best SG draft yet, if you do not care about defense :)
Probably the best PF class as well, although a pretty undersized class.

Damn, every time I look at Berkowitz....

But I'd rather have Hoffa and the added cap space :)

Berkowitz is quite impressive.
If he defense improves, he will be a top PF.  best prospect yet.  If not, he may be the next Zach Randolf (which is pretty good.  Would not be surprised if he is the reason the Balzers were willing to trade Randolph, actually)

I really think the Schultz and Bolinger will be incredible pros.  Bolinger is alot like Livingston, without the defense.  He is 24 years old, though.  But he is also an excellent SG prospect, with his size and jumping ability.

Still think Schultz may be the prize of the class, if it is not Bolinger.
He can start immediately, and any offensive improvemnt in TC makes him a 15 ppg scorer.  With the A potential and the relatively young age (22), tons of room for improvement.