SSBA

Alright, well I was looking at the computer recommended draft, and it generates the same players (minus jeremetrius dean, who twan created).

Twan did edit a handful of players (basically the top 5 picks, all edited before he originally posted the draft except for rupp, whom we all know about).  So we have 2 options.  Either for me to re-edit those 5 players, then process the draft picks and trades already done up until that point.  Or to let it all go and begin the draft over.

Personally, I'd rather re-process all the trades and picks, I'd hate to lose all those moves.  And it wouldn't take that much time (not much at all).

Voting ends Wednesday, January 26th at 5 pm EST.

If we start the draft over again that mean i will pick last becuase somehow i have the best record.  I want my 7'4 Giant center. :lol:

If the season was re-simmed, won't people have different draft picks? If this is the case I say do-over.

However, if I've got it wrong and the season wasn't re-simmed and we all have the same picks, then just repeat the original draft selections

... I'm confussed :shock:

You're confused.

According to the results here (http://phillyarena.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78), we're starting from the end of the 2006 season, not re-doing the 2006 season.

I am going to be "re-simming" the 2006 season, but this is just going to be done to get the rosters to their current positions.   It's not the official results, those were the ones from the season twan simmed.

What I will do, if we decide to use the prior draft results, is simply swap picks to get the draft order in the correct position.

For example, if the hawks end up with the 11th pick, when they had the 7th pick before, I'll simply make a trade between these two teams to get them where they should be, and do this until the draft order works.  I'll do this tonight so people can see it will work, then we'll have it done if that choice is made.

I am also confused, does this mean that I am the SSBA champ, or are the Nets?

If the Nets are the champ, and get the same pick as they did last year, this is unfair. Wins do matter, because wins give you a boost in win rating, which raised your ability to sign free agents... I would be very disappointed if I got a lesser win rating and still got the last pick in the draft. If you can edit the win rating, then I would have less of a problem with the reprocessing the draft and trades (even though I still wouldn't get credit as champ.)

If that's that big of a worry, then we'd have to re-sim the entire year, sim by sim.  It wouldn't be fair to run it based on one set of DC's.

It's impossible to edit the win rating.  Even if it was possible, it's impossible to know what last years effect was, because it's a culmination of the prior years as well.

*also, I have to re-do that "year long sim" anyway, since the computer dropped some players and left long standing cap dead weight, hurting teams.    I'm doing it now with complete control by me, ensuring no more unwanted roster changes happen.  So don't get caught up too much in what's up there now.

Well, if it's really that big of a deal, you just won the championship in this sim :)

4 games to 1 over the bulls.

I won 60 games and got bumped in the first round.  go figure.

Whoo!  :D

well, I vote to start the draft over anyway, even though I have no stake if I won the championship. I think it's only fair considering the win rating issue.

I also voted to start the draft over again. The previous one was just too tarnished.

If we start the draft over again which draft order do we use?  Twan's or the current one?

Definitely Twan's. It would be unfair for other teams, like the celts who have gave their 1st rounder to me. That ends up to be a lottery pick. ANd like the pistons who i gave my 1st rounder(3rd pick overall with twans) along with Zach for Mihm..

Anyway, i wish the commish, would implement a better rule in the draft.

i definitely agreeeee

yeah, I noticed that this would be a problem after I put my vote in for starting the draft over. I can't think of a good solution at all. In a case like this, you have to choose the lesser of two evils. It seems to me that if we are going to preserve those trades, there's no way to do this other than to use the draft order we had before.  :?  This will screw up the win ratings, but it seems like the option that will cause the least friction, IMO.

So I guess I will change my vote to reworking the draft so it is like it was before. I have no opinion about the "created" players, or the suped up stats.

The win ratings will be affected no matter what draft order, no?  The win ratings are affected by the wins/losses.  Unfortunately the exact standings can't be replicated, so that will be affected no matter what.  In order to get the draft picks changed, I'm simply going to be trading picks back and forth.  That won't mess up the ratings any more AFAIK.

As for the edited players, I can't see a way NOT to include them as twan edited them (with Rupp going to the spurs, not the sixers).  I don't think it's a big problem, as long as the Spurs get the choice.

I'm starting to think more thought should be going into starting the League over with updated current NBA rosters.

And no, that doesn't help my team at all. I go from 50-32 to 17-24 just like that. :)

I think we already voted on that one. I'm not for that at all.
The only way I would be for it is if we ran some sort of lotto to pick the teams; randomize it.

i think that qould be pretty hott...rather than throwing ouselves for the top teams, we should have teams randomly given to us...and by doing this it would help/show our GM skills.

Well, now we have a little issue.

As you know, we never did get the save file from twan.  So what we were going to do is re-process all the trades, sim the season, re-enter in the contracts for free agents, then re-enter in the draft.

Well, we hit a snag.  The only thing for me to base the contracts received in the resigning period was what was up on the site.  I say was because when I went to upload the updated end of 2006 site (the one located at ssba.phillyarena.net/end2006) I accidentally overwrote the regular site (ssba.phillyarena.net).  Long story short, we don't have the contracts agreed to at the end of the season.

Now, ideal conditions are that we would simply run the free agent re-signing period over again.  Nice and dandy, might take some time but still should get back to where we were, right?  Well, not exactly.  Not all free agents that had offered contracts have this time.  One example I can think of is Darko Milicic.  Signed to a max extension.  He's not letting you negotiate now, wanting to test the free agent market.  Now, him specifically isn't a problem.  I know the contract he got.  But how many others are there?  Does everyone remember what contracts their players got?

It would be easier if twan had done like jemagee did, post who was signed and for what amount.  But he didn't.  There's no documentation of what signings took place, except what was on the now lost page.

If everybody remembers what free agents they re-signed at the end of the season, we could theoretically re-do this (and the inactive teams would just go with who the computer would re-sign?).  But I'm beginning to think, without getting that save file from twan, there's not going to be a whole lot that we can do to get this league exactly where it was before he got caught cheating.

It might be best to either start the league over from day 1 of 2006 or to start from the nba season.  I'm not even sure how many teams we have left.

Asking every GM to post their FA's signed contract would not be a good option, because I can only see a handful of GMs active on this league. It would be worse and slower than how we did our draft.

How bout this? We respect our FAs decision, whether they resign or not. Like darko, raps still got the bird rights. So whatever happens, he still got the edge to resign Darko.

We could either do this or waste the time we invested on this league.. :(

Like what nuggetsGM said.. "It might be best to either start the league over from day 1 of 2006 or to start from the nba season. I'm not even sure how many teams we have left."  Sad but very much true..

with the new problems, I think it may be best to start from the 2005 season, I don't even think we need to randomize teams, I'm in this for the challenge of making a shitty team into a contender, so I would be pleased to have the Hawks again, I don't know how fun it would be to start on top, but I guess there is the challenge of staying on top and anyway the level of active gm's is extremely low so say teams like the Raptors could switch off teams to almost anyone they would like without a big problem....

I think the best option would probably be to allow active gm's to pick teams, first come first serve.  That way people who want to try to stay on top can do so, and people (like Hawks and I) who like to build a crap team into a contender can do so.  The most fun I've ever had in this league was the first year with the nuggets, taking them from 26 wins to the wcf.

Same for me, the first year when I took the Hawks to the playoffs was fun for me, then to win the championship the next season was also a reward for the time put in during the first season...

If we end up starting from the beginning again, i see no problem with that. at this point, with the cheating that happened under the previous regime(and i dont mean jem) it might be better if we just got a all together fresh start. its kinda not fair to teams like the Warriors or the Raptors, but it order to keep this league afloat we might have to make some sacrifices. this used to be the best league i had ever been in and i beleive that it can be once again. So i stand by what ever decision our new commishes make, and i'll help out in what ever way that i can.

Let's jsut comletely start over and reset the boards, what fun  :lol:

You know, I think the best idea was the league wide lotto.

That would be fun.

But hey, I'm good for everything.

ok, well, whatever I guess. I would prefer a vote on anything though.

I wish it hadn't come to this.

Did any of you guys talk to Twan online, if yes, did you ask him to send the file?

he said he didn't have the file.

How could he not have the file anymore?

How can he be trusted anymore?

he said that it was in his old computer that he got rid of.

twan's full of sh*t.  I asked him for that file BEFORE he even got the new computer (he told me he was getting a new comp before I brought anything up).